FLOPS Management, Read this; You're on Notice

[clickclickboom]

To the old school flops guys from the mouth of wisdom:

"Uh Guys the wing is a lifting device it is not a table"


Anybody remeber that one?

 

[GooseHZ]

Lol

TM said that.....along with some other funny stuff....

 

[skanza]

The IBT is not messing around and this latest management stunt suggests that they're feeling the pressure. Hey management, you ain't seen nothin' yet!

The following implication is not sanctioned by the IBT1108;
Peak travel is just around the corner!:smash:

You jackasses don't even realize that you pissed off enough pilots enough times that you're actually encouraging a work action during your precious peak travel period. What's funnier is that the pilots will sit back and watch the train wreck with a grin.


And you loose your job too idiot. Thanks a lot.

 

[dime line]

The IBT is not messing around and this latest management stunt suggests that they're feeling the pressure. Hey management, you ain't seen nothin' yet!

The following implication is not sanctioned by the IBT1108;
Peak travel is just around the corner!:smash:

You jackasses don't even realize that you pissed off enough pilots enough times that you're actually encouraging a work action during your precious peak travel period. What's funnier is that the pilots will sit back and watch the train wreck with a grin.

And you loose your job too idiot. Thanks a lot

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Were not happy about loosing our jobs, but I'm at a point that if FLOPS can't make money they should not be in business, the whole industry will be better off. And if you really think that were not making money, Then why is it alll of the other fractionals are able to make money and not us?, And If were not making money, you should thank upper management for allowing everybody (execpt you) to take their familys for vacations, wives to New York for shopping, impressing girlfriends with a flight to see her family, all using FLOPS JETS. Oh and I forgot the Harleys and Bentleys that were given as gifts.

Oh and while NetJets is being made a household name as we speek, ask mikie why we didn't have a booth at NBAA this year....Hmmmmmm

I refuse to subsidise (sp) the rich (and upper management's) travel needs and habits, on my back and yours. So if this company goes under, well mikie will have another failure to his resume.

 

[WabiSabi]

And you loose your job too idiot. Thanks a lot.

Hey, I'm not working there anymore but, I felt the exact same way I do now as when I did work @ FLOPS. Your statement reflects exactly what Ford and Harrison/management wants; divide and conquer, turn the pilot group against itself etc. If anyone loses their job, it won't be because of the pilot group standing up and fighting for safe and legal operations and industry standard. It will purely be due to the inept management group.

If the legitimate writing up of airplanes has anything to do with affecting operations to the point that pilots loses jobs, then the company should not be operating under those conditions in the first place. Again, I emphasize that I felt exactly as I do now when I was @ FLOPS and was just as vocal.

Edit to add; I have just read your past posts and I now know why you replied in the way you did. So, you said "thanks alot" to me huh? You're welcome! I'm sure Sheeringa and Sanjay thanks you, FUD man.

 

[Whoosh!]

The IBT is not messing around and this latest management stunt suggests that they're feeling the pressure. Hey management, you ain't seen nothin' yet!

The following implication is not sanctioned by the IBT1108;
Peak travel is just around the corner!:smash:

You jackasses don't even realize that you pissed off enough pilots enough times that you're actually encouraging a work action during your precious peak travel period. What's funnier is that the pilots will sit back and watch the train wreck with a grin.


And you loose your job too idiot. Thanks a lot.

Do you really want to continue to be employed with the crappiest fractional carrier that ever existed anyway bud?

While the rest of the industry continues to improve, Options just keeps getting worse. Nobody wants to get hired there. Almost everyone seems to be looking for other jobs. Their seniority list has shrunk by almost half what it once was. Talk to some of the 7 or 8+ yr Captains over there- ask them what they're making and how they're treated. Currently, they could bail (as I said, many are trying) and make more in their FIRST or second year at one of the competitors as a STARTING FO. Pathetic. This is the drive behind the fight- if there was ever any hope of things improving it would only be because the pilots organized as a group (read UNION) and agreed to stop taking it up the a$$. If management ever had any intention of doing this at their own will, they would’ve done it by now.

They can/have screwed the pilots with vacation policy changes, crew meal authorization times, CANPASS requirements, per diem cuts, medical co-pay, duty times, etc, etc… all with the union in house but you’re telling me those pilots are supposed to believe it when mgmt says, “we were going to give you a raise but we can’t now because you voted in a union”?

All these guys with the union are trying to fight back for you. You should be thanking your freaking union. They're on your side... they're the ONLY ones fighting for you. They're your co-workers. And, the ONLY hope you have of things improving.

Here's the scariest part. FLOPS mgmt may be dumb, but I seriously doubt dumb enough not to recognize how this will play out. 600 pissed-off pilots who have complete control over whether those airplanes fly or not. If they are that dumb, the company will go under anyway. If they’re not that dumb and they just want to continue to fight their own employees, their arrogance will destroy the company. What a waste. At the very least, they could give those pilots industry standard treatment. FLOPS mgmt doesn't do this and doesn’t give a sh1t.

So, you’ve got all these pilots who would rather see the company go down in flames so they can gladly take better jobs at other carriers and stop being treated like crap…. and… a management team too arrogant and ignorant to stop throwing fuel on the fire. If you were an investor, would you even consider buying this company? If you are employed at Flight Options, wouldn’t you be a little worried about your future? Management seems to have no vested interest in preserving the health of that company and that’s scary.

 

[jonjuan]

Then why is it alll of the other fractionals are able to make money and not us?

Who said the rest are making money? 1108?

 

[GooseHZ]

really?

Prove it...




FUD FUD FUD

 

[FracMonkey]

Get educated before you spout off!

Who said the rest are making money? 1108?

Look at the other fracs financials. NJ and Flex are both making money. I don't know about Shares and frankly don't care.

By the way, it's standard practice for management to hide money and cry "poor us" during negotiations.

Anyone seen the new signs on the building at CGF and on the MX facilities? Wonder what those cost.....

 

[skyismyoffice]

Who said the rest are making money? 1108?

It's not just making money, FLOPs doesn't seem to be doing anything to insure this company will be here in a year. I know what management has been advertising about inproving our financial position. We all know how we achieved profitability - by cutting back everything that had value. This may have worked for the short term but looking forward things are very grim. While everyone else seems to be building, we are going the other way.

 

[B19 Flyer]

You mean is this Illegal..What happened to setting the standard for safety...LOL

HOW TO PRE-FLIGHT A BEECHJET​

1. Power lever gators (the rubber that keeps stuff from falling into the pedestal) needs to be intact not worn downing item
2. Bonding cables under the spoilerons
3. Top of brake calipers for leaks
4. Plastic conduits for wires for the main gear for fraying and damage
5. Hydraulic lines that go into the pressure switches below the reservoir (mx might try to get you to leave a rag in there for the next flight to check for drips. this is unsafe and illegal) don't even reach in to wipe them (I can't reach them anyway and I have slender long arms)
6. Missing rings/washers on the air stairs, or safety wire, safety wire is not per the BJ MX Manual
7. Nose wheel steering pin for a frayed cable (hazard as it might cut your fingers)(puncture wounds by sharp metal are especially prone to infection)
8. Pitot tubes for worn coating
9. Elevator horn coating (check with control lock installed for more thorough viewing)
10. Door seal channel for damage from door pins
11. Move all pax seats for free movement and locking (check for shoulder harness placards, including the lav seat)
12. All placards (exterior and interior) installed and readable
13. Michelins are installed instead of Goodyear’s, check sidewalls for wear as they are slightly wider and often rub while spinning down in the wells shortly after gear retraction
14. Seat belt extender placards for compatibility with seat belt systems with shoulder harnesses
15. O2 mask microphone function
16. Accumulator window too hazed to see through
17. Broken safety wire on emer gear/door/brake handle
18. Burned out fuel/hyd shutoff valve lights
19. Takeoff pitch trim horn doesn't sound if trim is SLIGHTLY out of the green
20. Takeoff pitch trim horn does sound if trim is BARELY within green.
21. Aileron trims run at different speeds.
22. One aileron trim hesitates partway through full range
23. O2 mask smoke clearing device broken
24. O2 mask weak pressure for inflating halo
25. O2 mask does not stay in cradle.
26. Smoke goggles too scratched/dirty to see safely.
27. Smoke goggles cover(s) missing/damaged.
28. Check for slippage on the engine inlet screws
29. Static and pitot drains are closed
30. Fire extinguisher properly charged
31. Cockpit trim indicator agrees w/ trim position marking on vertical stab
32. Cracked static wicks can be hard to spot without a gentle tug
33. Non-LED rear nav lights have a short lifespan
34. Drain holes under horizontal stab are clear
35. bonding cables under the spoilerons
36. Allowed, two degree's of roll per second when selecting flaps 10
37. Missing LED's on the clocks (No IFR)
38. Check the knife valve on the crapper. It is MEL-able, but a real live mechanic must come out and disconnect the electrical
39. Missing screws around the access panels ... found one plane missing 28!!!
40. Feed back from the hand held mikes. It’s a no no
41. Foil coated Fire retardant blankets in the main landing gear wells. Torn, punctured or missing the foil coating? This is a downing item according to QA. Not MDL’able
42. Engage the autopilot prior to doing the stall test. When the stick shaker comes on, it MUST also disconnect the autopilot.
43. Run your elevator trim full down and full up. If the needle pass the RED limit marks ... broke
44. On battery power only, run your rudder trim from full right to left or visa versa. The rudder must have full travel in less than 64 seconds per the mx manual
45. When selecting flaps 30, be sure they indicate 30, not 29 not 31 ... can you tell me what REF is for a flaps 29 or 31 approach
46. Big Dents under the door from stair malfunction. Must be measured with a caliper, That area is pressurized
47. Nose strut bottoming or bouncing on taxi, nose strut to low
48. Main door handle. If it lifts up without pressing the red button your done
49. Cabin door closed, the "Red" markings for the door pins must be "Completely Covered". This is listed in the AFM
50. All of this because, SAFETY, SERVICE, AND PROFITABILITY

I've seen this stunt before. You are dumb enough to print this and use it against the airline on a message board you think is void of the FAA.

The FAA is smart enough to print this and keep it for after the CBA. Then, when things "calm down" they will ramp check you and look for these. Don't think for a moment that they won't ground the airplane and write you up for operating as unairworthy with undocumented discrepancies. I have witnessed this before, especially with new maintenance inspectors.

 

[Whoosh!]

They must be paying you pretty well, B19.

 

[Mooneymite]

I've seen this stunt before. You are dumb enough to print this and use it against the airline on a message board you think is void of the FAA.

The FAA is smart enough to print this and keep it for after the CBA. Then, when things "calm down" they will ramp check you and look for these. Don't think for a moment that they won't ground the airplane and write you up for operating as unairworthy with undocumented discrepancies. I have witnessed this before, especially with new maintenance inspectors.

B-19, you've just lost any credibility you ever had in my eyes!

I've been around a lot longer than you have and I can tell you the FAA doesn't have the will or the manpower to do as you say unless they happen to be on a witch-hunt. If you were involved, I suspect they were out to get you and I can understand why based on your recent posts. You are a danger to the industry; I would suspect you are also danger in an aircraft.

 

[SilverSurfer]

My company not managements

I helped start Option and have given almost 10 years of my life to this company. Sh!tboy and his cohorts have been here 4 and have turned it into one of the worst places a pilots could work. I would rather work through our union doing whatever they ask to reach a contract then leave the company to a$$ wipes like this, even if it means the end of the company. I've been here longer them most anyone in the company and have a right to take this stand.:smash:

 

[Frac Cap]

B-19, I will agree with you on this one point. There are other people watching us, people like the FAA, and people like prospective owners. Both are unwanted attention.

But the way upper management is running things, it doesn't look like it is for long term growth, but just for short term gain on paper. I thought of a very appropriate analogy that fits what management is doing to the health of our company. It is kind of like that recent commuter RJ crash on an empty repo. The crew thought they would see if they could get the aircraft to 410 just for fun. What they didn't realize is that while they were climbing to 410, they were doing it on the backside of the power curve. They were sacrificing airspeed for altitude. Like our management is sacrificing the health and happiness of our front line employees, cutting back on benefits, not fixing aircraft correctly, not refurbishing interiors, not maintaining an ascetically pleasing fleet with cheep or old paint jobs that look like freighters, "K-mart catering" as quoted by owners, and finally, reducing the stock that our customers enjoy on the aircraft all in an effort to make the current numbers look good. We all know what happened to the RJ, they unfortunately put themselves in a place that they could not recover from, and crashed. Yes we can do a slashing of MX bases and jobs. Cut back on employees, salaries, aircraft aesthetics, and stock. Just like the RJ crew sacrificing airspeed for altitude, we are sacrificing all these other things to temporarily make the bottom line look good. But you can only do that for so long until we run out of airspeed (owners). There is a proper way to get to 410 in an RJ, which is slowly. There is also a way to get to, and maintain profitability.

I now know management reads this board. I am not a bitter employee, so please don't discount what I am trying to say as just more ranting from a disgruntled employee. I like to feel like I am one of the good guys with an open mind and no hidden agenda. I try to do the right thing by my crew, owners, and company in that order. I am trying to shed light where some don't see or understand. I am afraid that there may be a tipping point where we as a company fail to recognize we are on the backside of that power curve, and financially crash.