FLOPS management does it again!!!!

[skanza]

Oh, oh I have a copy! Shall I post?
Wait, I forgot. The reason for the list is all about safety and the PIC's authority over the flight. It has nothing to do with affecting the operation on peak travel days because you're mad about not getting a fu(king contract/raise.

 

[FR8DOG777]

Skumza, Skumza, Skumza, would you give it up already. We know who you are. You're the guy who can't pass an upgrade checkride after three attempts and the only reason you're not history is because you have naked pictures of Michael Schreenga with a six year old boy. The only question I have for you is will you still wear that pretty new uniform shopping for groceries and around town so all your neighbors still think you are impotent after we turn this place into a pile of rubble that is deserves to be?

 

[skanza]

Wow, you really sunk to a new professional low there, hatedog. Come on, with the pictures thing? Seriously?
And why not just quit if you hate it so much that you wish the place a pile of rubble? I guess you really are weak...

Do you *really* know who I am? If so...post it.

 

[Myster79]

No, Skanza is most likely the type of pilot that can't get hired anywhere else. He was probably lucky Flight Options took him in the first place. Any competent pilot worth his salt would not stand for anything less than the contract they deserve.

And yes Skanza we are mad. However, we will pre-flight the aircraft the same way after a contract is in place as before. As professionals safety is our number one priority.

Furthermore, your FUD campaign is over, we don't care what you or B-19 write on this site. If it comes to a strike, then we will strike. The company had over 3 years to make this right. They chose to pay high priced attorneys and use lackey's like you to run a FUD campaign, it didn't work. Flight Options management is responsible for the current situation, not Flight Options Pilots.

 

[993_Pilot]

...Furthermore, your FUD campaign is over, we don't care what you or B-19 write on this site. If it comes to a strike, then we will strike. The company had over 3 years to make this right. They chose to pay high priced attorneys and use lackey's like you to run a FUD campaign, it didn't work. Flight Options management is responsible for the current situation, not Flight Options Pilots.

Can I get an "Amen" ?

 

[skanza]

No, Skanza is most likely the type of pilot that can't get hired anywhere else. He was probably lucky Flight Options took him in the first place. Any competent pilot worth his salt would not stand for anything less than the contract they deserve. Nice try.

And yes Skanza we are mad. However, we will pre-flight the aircraft the same way after a contract is in place as before. As professionals safety is our number one priority. No, your salary seems to be your priority.

Furthermore, your FUD campaign is over, we don't care what you or B-19 write on this site. When did you ever care? If it comes to a strike, then we will strike. Yeah, maybe all 6-10 of you on this site. See how that works out for ya... The company had over 3 years to make this right. They chose to pay high priced attorneys and use lackey's like you to run a FUD campaign, it didn't work. I'm not running a "campaign". I think and speak for myself. Just because I don't agree with you greedy union fools, you assume I'm in with management. Really I'm just calling out the BS that I see. Flight Options management is responsible for the current situation, not Flight Options Pilots.

You're way off. I'm guessing you didn't read the email from the COO.

 

[William Holiday]

Why don't you post the email. It might be a good read.

 

[ITFL]

You're way off. I'm guessing you didn't read the email from the COO.

What e-mail? Please tell me it is not about "management by trust".

 

[netjetwife]

Can I get an "Amen" ?

Absolutely! Amen!! The Options pilots hold the moral high ground. Management has been dragging their feet and hurting families in the process. It's time to settle the contract and start treating the pilotgroup like the valuable partner they are---AMEN!

 

[993_Pilot]

You're way off. I'm guessing you didn't read the email from the COO.

Skanza, you're an idiot. It has always been only about the money... but only from managements perspective. Benifits, work rules and scope clauses all cost money and management doesn't want to pay. Yeah, we want a salary on par with the other companies too, but what pilot does value their time less than those at the competition, besides you? The Time for FUD is over, so shut up, and tell your management friends to "Put Up" or we'll walk. They have until Friday at noon... this has gone on long enough. The clock is ticking.

 

[netjetwife]

Speaking of benefits ... those pilots who are paying out of pocket for medical, dental, and vision should subtract the cost from their salary to see what they're really making. Luckily, I was able to painlessly fill out the paperwork at the dentist's office yesterday: Insurance...Aetna. Provider...NetJets. Employee's position...pilot. All frac pilots and their families should be able to do the same. Good insurance is a serious QOL issue; thus, health care coverage is a standard part of the professional compensation package in many fields. Kudos to the Options pilots for recognizing their worth and insisting that the FLOPS respect that. The frac lifestyle takes a huge toll on personal and family time so the pilots, their spouses and children are already paying for the "free" requested insurance many times over. NJW

Fractional pilots are professionals and should be compensated as such.

 

[skanza]

Why don't you post the email. It might be a good read.

It's for FO employees only and also not my place to post it as I didn't author it.

 

[skanza]

Skanza, you're an idiot. This is not a good debate tactic. It has always been only about the money... but only from managements perspective. Benifits, work rules and scope clauses all cost money and management doesn't want to pay. Yeah, we want a salary on par with the other companies too, -Then go work for them, if enough of that happens, maybe management will realize they need to pay more. Otherwise, threats and complaining are not effective or professional. but what pilot does value their time less than those at the competition, besides you? The Time for FUD is over, so shut up, Again, not a good debate style. and tell your management friends to "Put Up" or we'll walk. They have until Friday at noon... Spounds threatening - is there something at the O.K. Corral? this has gone on long enough. The clock is ticking.

Read your email.

 

[993_Pilot]

This is not a good debate tactic...

Your still an idiot, and I am not interested in debating with you, just trying to tell you how it is.

Spounds threatening - is there something at the O.K. Corral?

I didn't set the Friday Noon deadline you moron, the NMB did. If the company doesn't put up, They'll quickly find out how many of us are willing to walk. The ones who don't will be forever labeled as scabs... it's a small enough industry to make even most of the koolaide drinkers stop and think twice.

...Then go work for them, if enough of that happens, maybe management will realize they need to pay more. Otherwise, threats and complaining are not effective or professional...

At this point I'm don't care if I'm "effective or professional", although I would still argue the point if I gave a $h!t about what you thought. The time for talking with the likes of you is over. Noon Friday will quickly be upon us and then the 30 day clock starts ticking.

I'm betting that management will let it get close to a TA, but no cigar. Then management will blame it on the union and the economy. They'll hope that the pilots will be desparate enough to accept any bone they throw out... well, we won't. We will hold out for what we deserve. When the end of the 30 day cooling off period is about to expire, Kenn Ricci will come riding in on a white horse with one "last and final" offer hoping to "save the day", just in time to put out a press release for the NBAA convention. That it pretty much the standard game plan used by management in every union negotiation since the beginning of time. Hopefully that offer will be reasonable & realistic, because I sincerely hope it ends here with a TA.

If not, we'll walk, and spend our time looking for another job instead of trading quips with you, because there won't be anything at Flops worth going back to after more than a few days of a strike.

... and if it does go to a strike, God help the scabs, because no one else will when Flops fails.

 

[netjetwife]

993, I see the Options pilots as both professional and effective because professionals don't sell themselves short and effective people stay focused on their goal(s). You guys have those virtues covered.

It's time for the FLOPS foot-dragging to end. Here's to the deadline!
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