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[jetwash]

It looks like the new uniforms are going out this week.

All the owners and customers are going to be asking "Who are those great looking pilots on the picket line?"

We can proudly answer :

"We are Flight Options Pilots, the worst paid and best dressed !!!!!"

 

[shanes123]

It looks like the new uniforms are going out this week.

All the owners and customers are going to be asking "Who are those great looking pilots on the picket line?"

We can proudly answer :

"We are Flight Options Pilots, the worst paid and best dressed !!!!!"

from what i remember if ricci has any say..you will also be the worst dressed..What clown tie has he come up with this time? That uniform has always been a embarrasment to aviation..Flops pilots looked like theater ushers when I was there.MOre than once I would be standing at a hotel lobby and people would want me to help them with there bags..TRUE STORY

 

[Grizz]

I think Harry Chapin had a song about this type of thing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5le92UmPmU

 

[skanza]

It looks like the new uniforms are going out this week.

All the owners and customers are going to be asking "Who are those great looking pilots on the picket line?"

We can proudly answer :

"We are Flight Options Pilots, the worst paid and best dressed !!!!!"

Then quit.

 

[clickclickboom]

Then quit.

There is your problem right there. Take a guy that is completely happy with any $hit sandwich that somebody puts in front of them while they live their life of mediocrity and the universal response is " Just Quit "


Yes my fellow pilots don't try to better yourself, your brothers, or your company. Don't try one pilot group at a time to raise the bar in this industry for ALL pilots. Don't put in 10 or more years in a company and then be upset over the diminishing returns year after year because after all you still have 50% of your career left to just quit start at the bottom somewhere else and then work three jobs to just to put your kids through school and then get out of the trailer park.

Options pilots either deserve to get paid or burn that pig down..

I would rather see the last flight at flops end up in a cancelled flight with a pile of 501's then see any pilot at flops " just Quit " I am already among the 600 that either left or were furloughed from flops and when i left I was under 100 on the sen list. The remaining pilots at Flops that have fought this battle deserve to see the return.

 

[ProFracPilot]

It looks like the new uniforms are going out this week.

All the owners and customers are going to be asking "Who are those great looking pilots on the picket line?"

We can proudly answer :

"We are Flight Options Pilots, the worst paid and best dressed !!!!!"

Then quit.

I think you missed his point, Skumza. He really is proud. Seriously, who wouldn't be?

I don't think you have the capacity to debate an issue directly, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt one more time: Tell me (again) why it makes sense to be spending the HUGE dollars Flight Options is spending on re-branding, new uniforms, office renovations, etc when their front line marketing and safety group (pilots) work more for less than anyone in the industry?

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

It's very easy for Skanza aka ED to say these things like that since he is on a special deal which results in him being much better compensated than his peers. He is special. He hates the union because 1108 in part was responsible for him be ousted from management.

 

[Narrow Bridge]

I agree with Skanza on this, if things are that bad for you, quit. Oh yea, there isnt anywhere for you to go. You know how Kenn feels about "trapped" employees.

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

Of course you agree with Skanza aka ED on this. You always agree with Ed on everything because you both HATE unions. If Kenn doesn't like trapped employees he could make Options a good place to work. If he did and got all the employees pulling in the same direction he would be the one reaping the benefits.

 

[William Holiday]

I agree with Skanza on this, if things are that bad for you, quit. Oh yea, there isnt anywhere for you to go. You know how Kenn feels about "trapped" employees.

Ahhh, it's no longer the employees, aka pilots, who are "Trapped"
They now have a "Choice." People don't like change, it forces new behavior.

 

[keebird]

How many times and how much money have they spend over the years on "rebranding"? Are they going to repaint the planes yet again?

 

[smartelephant]

I think you missed his point, Skumza. He really is proud. Seriously, who wouldn't be?

I don't think you have the capacity to debate an issue directly, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt one more time: Tell me (again) why it makes sense to be spending the HUGE dollars Flight Options is spending on re-branding, new uniforms, office renovations, etc when their front line marketing and safety group (pilots) work more for less than anyone in the industry?

You know there was another Frac recently(last 12 months) that spent this same amount of effort and money to do research and rebranding of their media and their pilots, and then promptly laid off 85 after promising a "family enviroment" during interviews. Point being I guess the left hand doesn't always learn from the right.
Didn't mean to, but if I hijacked the thread I apologize in advance.

 

[dime line]

How many times and how much money have they spend over the years on "rebranding"? Are they going to repaint the planes yet again?

Yea, remind me how many paint jobs we have?

 

[shanes123]

What do the new Clown ties look like?

ricci should just give everyone red balls to wear on there nose and 30" shoes..you guys already have the clown tie....maybe throw in a bright red wigs for everyone..

 

[GerryG]

I agree with Skanza on this, if things are that bad for you, quit. Oh yea, there isnt anywhere for you to go. You know how Kenn feels about "trapped" employees.

I've noticed this guy is kind of like the canary in a coal mine. Every time management gets nervous he starts to sing. Also sporten the lingo this time, “trapped employes”. He must have read the little red - I mean green - book.

 

[jpeace02]

It looks like the new uniforms are going out this week.

All the owners and customers are going to be asking "Who are those great looking pilots on the picket line?"

We can proudly answer :

"We are Flight Options Pilots, the worst paid and best dressed !!!!!"

That's awesome! Thanks for the laugh. This industry absolutely sucks. All the best fellas.

 

[skanza]

There is your problem right there. Take a guy that is completely happy with any $hit sandwich that somebody puts in front of them while they live their life of mediocrity -you're quite wrong with this assesment of me. Probably because you don't know who I am. Figures. and the universal response is " Just Quit "


Yes my fellow pilots don't try to better yourself, your brothers, or your company. Don't try one pilot group at a time to raise the bar in this industry for ALL pilots. Don't put in 10 or more years in a company and then be upset over the diminishing returns year after year because after all you still have 50% of your career left to just quit start at the bottom somewhere else and then work three jobs to just to put your kids through school and then get out of the trailer park-the company is not responsible for how you handle your finances. You know what you get paid, spend/plan accordingly...

Options pilots either deserve to get paid or burn that pig down..

I would rather see the last flight at flops end up in a cancelled flight with a pile of 501's then see any pilot at flops " just Quit " -here we go again with using write-ups to "prove a point" or "take a stand", I though you guys were all about professionalism. Isn't the purpose of the 501 to report discrepencies in order to get them fixed so the aircraft is airworthy? How can you cross this action with the action of canceling of a flight? I am already among the 600 that either left or were furloughed from flops and when i left I was under 100 on the sen list. The remaining pilots at Flops that have fought this battle deserve to see the return.

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[GhettoBeechjet]

Skanza/Ed the problem with all your statements is that Flight Options pay rates and working conditions have actually deteriorated over the years. There may not have been been direct pay cuts but many benefits have been cut. Per diem, insurance, 401k, and CGF domicile pay to name a few. These were direct roll backs that every single pilot that isn't on a "special deal" like you saw come out of their check. Not to mention since there haven't been any scale raises in years the pilots real spending power has decreased. It it impossible to plan when your health insurance almost doubles for far less coverage. Its hard to plan for retirement when your 401k match is cut with no notice. I bet "senior leadership" gets a raise and bonuses every year even though they claim the company isn't performing well. Hey Ed is continuing to get a 401k match part of your "special deal"? I'll see you when I am walking and you cross the picket line.

 

[Hobbes]

Skumza/ED MAYbe you should consider your statement - " Isn't the purpose of the 501 to report discrepencies in order to get them fixed so the aircraft is airworthy? How can you cross this action with the action of canceling of a flight? "

Indeed you have nailed the purpose of a 501 to a tee...now the problem with THAT is that Flops never fixes a D#@! thing with integrity and always tries to cheat and find a way to throw the plane back into the air before the actual fix is found. YOU know about this first hand don't you? For example knowingly doing electrical system maintenance as a line pilot WITHOUT an A&P and WITH CGF knowledge in order to try to cover up your own blunder of trying to start engines with the covers on....hmmm ...ring a bell idiot?

The end result is that you have your pilots forced into a situation where there is ALWAYS something valid that can be written up on your aircraft because you DON'T fix them!!!! See the problem with trying to sit in a righteous seat and spout your crap is that you have to have the integrity to be doing things by the book in the first place yourself, and you just DO NOT.

You are a fool. If it weren't for friends I have left at Flops I would be hoping the place goes out of business and you have to try to find a job with all of the ill will you have created in this industry. If your name is ever brought across my desk you won't have a job with my company.

 

[hogbody]

New Uniform Items Have Arrived

Flight Options pilots have started receiving their new stuff (via UPS). Five Van Heusen Aviator shirts, 1 windbreaker and 1 polo shirt. The windbreaker and polo are virtually identical to previous issues, except they have Flight Options logo #72a instead of the previously issued #69b1.; The shirts are nice. Years ago, the pilot group tried to talk KR into buying their shirts, but he flatly refused. Now that they are claiming they're financially unable to increase pilot compensation, they suddenly have funds for shirts. Hmmm, must come from a different pile of money. Lots of money in that pile, yes sir, just not allowed to spend it on the crews, just on uniforms, paint, and transportation for VP's families. Couldn't possibly move money from that pile into the pilot compensation pile, just not possible....

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

Skanza/Ed

Skanza/Ed just curious is a certain number of pro management pro Bob T. postings on Flight info a day a requirement to maintain your "special deal"? Thanks in advance for your answer. GhettoBeechjet

 

[Ben Dover FLOPS]

Bleeding the beast

Flight Options pilots have started receiving their new stuff (via UPS). Five Van Heusen Aviator shirts, 1 windbreaker and 1 polo shirt. The windbreaker and polo are virtually identical to previous issues, except they have Flight Options logo #72a instead of the previously issued #69b1.; The shirts are nice. Years ago, the pilot group tried to talk KR into buying their shirts, but he flatly refused. Now that they are claiming they're financially unable to increase pilot compensation, they suddenly have funds for shirts. Hmmm, must come from a different pile of money. Lots of money in that pile, yes sir, just not allowed to spend it on the crews, just on uniforms, paint, and transportation for VP's families. Couldn't possibly move money from that pile into the pilot compensation pile, just not possible....

The ol' shell game: 401K match, raises for a dollar or two? or uniforms and a meal plan for fitty cent?

then take the other buck fitty and bleed it into his other ventures such as retro-fitting FLOPS Beechjets with new avionics which has no benefit to FLOPS, its customers or employees in any way, shape or form.

How may other shadow companies are set up to bleed the beast?

 

[skanza]

Skanza/Ed just curious is a certain number of pro management pro Bob T. postings on Flight info a day a requirement to maintain your "special deal"? Thanks in advance for your answer. GhettoBeechjet

Ghetto, Hobbes
WTF with the Ed thing? I still don't know who you're talking about... ????

 

[skanza]

Skumza/ED MAYbe you should consider your statement - " Isn't the purpose of the 501 to report discrepencies in order to get them fixed so the aircraft is airworthy? How can you cross this action with the action of canceling of a flight? "

Indeed you have nailed the purpose of a 501 to a tee...now the problem with THAT is that Flops never fixes a D#@! thing with integrity and always Always is a strong term and also quite inaccurate. -If you only knew... tries to cheat and find a way to throw the plane back into the air before the actual fix is found. YOU know about this first hand don't you? For example knowingly doing electrical system maintenance as a line pilot WITHOUT an A&P and WITH CGF knowledge in order to try to cover up your own blunder of trying to start engines with the covers on....hmmm ...ring a bell idiot? No. No bell here. You lost me at "doing electrical..." Oh, and idiot doesn't help either.

The end result is that you have your pilots forced into a situation where there is ALWAYS something valid that can be written up on your aircraft because you DON'T fix them!!!! See the problem with trying to sit in a righteous seat and spout your crap is that you have to have the integrity to be doing things by the book in the first place yourself, and you just DO NOT. Well, since you don't know me, you can't say that for certain. Yes, I'm in a righteous seat especially compared to you guys because I only use the 501 for mx discrepancies. Nothing. Else. No motives, no leverage, no b.s. You can't say that, therefore, you lose.

You are a fool. If it weren't for friends I have left at Flops I would be hoping the place goes out of business and you have to try to find a job with all of the ill will you have created in this industry. If your name is ever brought across my desk you won't have a job with my company. That's quite a silly claim since you don't know my name

......

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

Ghetto, Hobbes
WTF with the Ed thing? I still don't know who you're talking about... ????

Deny deny deny. Ed since you are dishonest just like your buddy and sponser of your "special deal" Bob I am not suprised that you are being dishonest about your identity. We all know the truth now ED. By the way I am calling you out here and now for not responding to either of my last two posts which had more substance than your identity. See you when you cross the picket line. Ghetto

 

[993_Pilot]

Skanza, If , in fact, you are not Ed, you must have been sleeping under a rock for the last 3-1/2 years. We know you read these threads daily, so how can you NOT know who "Ed" is when he has been mentioned so many times? Are you just a liar desperately trying to hide your identity, or just plain ignorant?

 

[skanza]

Skanza, If , in fact, you are not Ed, you must have been sleeping under a rock for the last 3-1/2 years. We know you read these threads daily, so how can you NOT know who "Ed" is when he has been mentioned so many times? Are you just a liar desperately trying to hide your identity, or just plain ignorant?

And you're not? We're all liers here and nobody knows who anyone else is. So you think...

 

[skanza]

Deny deny deny. Ed since you are dishonest just like your buddy and sponser of your "special deal" Bob I am not suprised that you are being dishonest about your identity. We all know the truth now ED. By the way I am calling you out here and now for not responding to either of my last two posts which had more substance than your identity. See you when you cross the picket line. Ghetto

Send an email to "Ed" with 'Skanza' in it. See how he responds.
You have no balls if you don't.
You have no sense if you do.
You have lost, fool.

 

[I'Zheet M'Drarz]

Whhhaaatttt?

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

Send an email to "Ed" with 'Skanza' in it. See how he responds.
You have no balls if you don't.
You have no sense if you do.
You have lost, fool.

Ed what would be the point of that? Let me get this straight. You want me to send you an email to your real name with your fake name in it so you can deny that you are one and the same from your real name too? You have no balls for not just fessing up to who you really are. We all know the truth and we can discuss it when you cross the picket line. By the way what have I lost?

Ohh and I'm still waiting for answers from you on my previous posts.