FLOPS giving a bribe

[jetwash]

Don't forget about getting you aircraft deiced as well.

Since I can't see the top of tail I will need to get it de-iced to be safe. The wings might look good but you can't be sure, so better to take the delay and de ice the tail.

As for fuel burns I know what the company pays and what the owners pay. I may not have stated it clearly, but the added costs will go to the proper account.

 

[Random Flyer]

None of you ever answered my question.
When the company goes under, what will you have to show for it?

 

[TurboHonda]

None of you ever answered my question.
When the company goes under, what will you have to show for it?

Pride and dignity still intact, my FUD spreading friend.

 

[FR8DOG777]

None of you ever answered my question.
When the company goes under, what will you have to show for it?

I will be able to say I didn't let MS drive down the entire fractional industry. You say "when" like you have knowledge of such activity transpiring at FLOPS. All companies cry poor and threaten to close the doors during negotiations. My attitude is " I was looking for a job when I found this one." If FLOPS doesn't pony up the bucks soon I hope they do go under for the sake of every professional pilot out there. It is like stomping out what seems to be an incurable disease. If it comes to that, then I have a few years of service put in with a crappy company to show for it. Either way I see it, I win. FLOPS going out of business, or getting the pay we deserve. Also remember that if FLOPS closes the doors each and every over paid manager will be out of work. They will also be the people Raytheon blames for such an event. I am going to say something that may seem real shocking to most. FLOPS will pay us what we deserve before they will ever close down shop. When they find that it is Cheaper to make peace with the pilots they will do it. They will do whatever it takes to stay in business to save their own jobs including pay the pilots. You sir/ma'am can spread your FUD to some unsuspecting Koolaid drinker.

 

[Diesel]

The ability to hold you head high and say, "we didn't cave and end up like the airlines.... giving back and giving back till we work for peanuts with no self respect."

Looks like random flyer is the new familyguy.

Good luck with that. C u next tuesday.

 

[AceCrackshot]

None of you ever answered my question.
When the company goes under, what will you have to show for it?

An industry standard worth working for...you know, the months of your life in small metal tubes and hotel rooms.

Plus, only the Wall Street Journal Editorial page believes that pilot wages, not decades of mismanagement have ever caused an aviation organization to fail. Mike Sheeringa might have the distinction of causing three different outfits to fail, AmericaWest, Airways, and FLOPS. But its the pilot's fault. Right.

STFD. STFD. STFD.

 

[Fozzy]

Oh leave Random alone. He is just happy to be flying for a living. Would probably do it for (crew) food.

Anyways, the burn it down way of thinking is the only thing that got us a contract. But the rub is that you must mean it. If you are not serious about the very real posibility that your company may go under, you have already lost. We were dead serious.

 

[netjetwife]

RF, I did answer your question along the same lines as the others. The pilots will have self-respect and the admiration/gratitude of their peers in and outside of the frac industry. Just because it wasn't the answering you were looking for doesn't mean that it wasn't addressed.

If a company is so badly managed that it must rely on a large group of its employees to subsidize it, then obviously it is not fit to survive. Are you expecting Flt Ops to be allowed to pay less than the going rate for fuel, as well? Pilot salaries are a cost of doing business. Companies that can't afford to stay in business either fold or correct their mistakes. If Options can't make it on their own without the pilots carrying them then it's better for all concerned that the situation is revealed for what it is and Darwin's Theory runs its course. By making the company stop balancing the budget on the backs of the pilots they are forcing them to become a more efficient and responsible employer. That is in the best interest (long-term) of everyone involved. "Burn it down" is just a shortcut way of saying this. It's the pilots' way of telling the company to stand on their own and stop using the pilots as a crutch. NJW

 

[TurboHonda]

Fozzy and Netjetwife. Good replies.

Many years ago, I used a maintenance facility in Shreveport, LA. The manager was a man named George Watson. I know a lot of pilots might remember him. He had a large sign in his office that said:

GETTING PAID IS PART OF DOING BUSINESS AND WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT DOING BUSINESS.

I don't recall that anyone was ever offended. They certainly didn't take their business elsewhere. FLOPS and some of the "me generation pilots" could learn a lesson from people like him.

 

[netjetwife]

Thanks, TH... I like that sign. It sounds like good advice to me.

 

[Phoenix]

Survival Of The Fittest

None of you ever answered my question.
When the company goes under, what will you have to show for it?

Like in nature, business is also survival of the fittest. There are many facets that comprise a fit company. One of them is employees that are happy with their company, feel that they are valued by the company, and that their work is appreciated by the company.

None of these sentiments are espoused by the vast majority of Flight Options Employees. The pilots started to express their dissatisfaction with Options management by voting for representation. Dissatisfaction with management is wide spread now and permeates the entire company. A Dispatcher told me following the huge pay cut we all took via our benefits cost increases, that there was not a person working in OCC that wasn't looking for another job. I would not be at all surprised to see the OCC and MX personnel start a union organization drive very soon. Without the whole hearted support and of it's employees Options will not survive.

Maybe this is what it will take for mother RTN to wake up and see what a moron they installed as CEO. RTN recognizing what Schreeinga has done to this company and the death spiral that he has put it in, is what needs to happen.

 

[netjetwife]

Well said Phoenix! It's nice to see you post, though I fully understand that you're very busy. This treat calls for a card... that will hold little interest to those not involved in a contract battle or similar struggle.

http://www.bluemountain.com/view.pd?i=151557768&m=1932&rr=y&source=bma999

 

[WabiSabi]

None of you ever answered my question.
When the company goes under, what will you have to show for it?

It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
Emiliano Zapata

Get off of your knees Random Flyer

 

[netjetwife]

I agree! Walking beside your fellow pilots is surely more comfortable than being dragged into the brighter future the group has earned/deserves.

 

[Fallingbrick]

None of you ever answered my question.
When the company goes under, what will you have to show for it?

Look RF, I hope management at FLOPS gets their money back that they spent on your pitiful posting attempt. If you’re going to be a management mole, at least be good at it. I’m not sure if you’re a member of management, a consultant, an intern…it doesn’t really matter because your posts are completely transparent. The old saying goes ‘if something is worth doing, its worth doing well’ applies here. So on Monday morning when you stroll into the office, pour that cup of coffee, and log on to FI you should really give it your all. We all know you can do better, I mean come on…people pegged you in your first thread for Gods sake! I’m serious when I say that your efforts are not even worth entertainment value. It really is disappointing. Sigh…perhaps you’re not management material after all. :laugh: