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I'm very proud to be associated with 1108. Let the trolls and their negative spin simply fade away. The fact is, 1108 has been very steadfast in it's goal and the progress since leaving 284 speaks for itself. We now have a TA that will most certainly be voted in and raise the bar for NJA pilots, and in fact, all Fractional pilots.
I'm not concerned with the TAs shortcomings. Improvements will continue to be worked on long after we have left the flightdecks. What I am concerned with is looking forward and continuing to give credibility to the idea that the Fractional industry can be far more than a stepping stone. It is fast heading in that direction, if not there already! :beer:
"Thank you" to all of you that have worked so hard to get us where we are now!
I'm not concerned with the TAs shortcomings. Improvements will continue to be worked on long after we have left the flightdecks. What I am concerned with is looking forward and continuing to give credibility to the idea that the Fractional industry can be far more than a stepping stone. It is fast heading in that direction, if not there already! :beer:
"Thank you" to all of you that have worked so hard to get us where we are now!
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YETAGAIN reading into it...
I'm not being a Vioce? huh?
ANYWAY... I have repeatedly indicated the refernce is directed to the paid THUGS of IBT that troll the board...If you want to consider yourself one of those, than you should rightly take offense. In previous posts I have clarified the fact that REAL netjets pilots are NOT typically like the thug trash promoted by the morons who incite division between the groups, and show up every 5 minutes to shout "management" or "senior pilot" at anyone who expresses an opinion that might take $$$ out of the pockets of IBT. Why to I have to continously reiterate that I AM indeed PRO union...Just not Pro-IBT? If I am a coffee lover, do I have to love BOTH Starbuck's AND Seattle's best? What if (hypothetically) Starbuck's had dubious accounting practices... or unethical hiring practices? Being Pro-Seattle's Best would not make me ANTI-Coffee.... KWIM?
Stickshaker said:
I'm not being a Vioce? huh?
ANYWAY... I have repeatedly indicated the refernce is directed to the paid THUGS of IBT that troll the board...If you want to consider yourself one of those, than you should rightly take offense. In previous posts I have clarified the fact that REAL netjets pilots are NOT typically like the thug trash promoted by the morons who incite division between the groups, and show up every 5 minutes to shout "management" or "senior pilot" at anyone who expresses an opinion that might take $$$ out of the pockets of IBT. Why to I have to continously reiterate that I AM indeed PRO union...Just not Pro-IBT? If I am a coffee lover, do I have to love BOTH Starbuck's AND Seattle's best? What if (hypothetically) Starbuck's had dubious accounting practices... or unethical hiring practices? Being Pro-Seattle's Best would not make me ANTI-Coffee.... KWIM?
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I respect your choice.
Vote for the other union.......wait, there are'nt any!
No other union has expressed interest in the last 6 years.
I don't want to hear the "we could form our own in house union", that was propossed years ago. Unless you have about 5 million to pitch in to kick it off.
The IBT 1108 was formed for fractionals and has proven what they are made of. The 1108 is a group of professional fractional pilots flying multi-million dollar rigs around the world with mult-million dollar passengers in the rear.
You have nothing to loose voting in the 1108 at Flops unless you are an SFO getting special sweet heart deals.
Tell us what you will loose.
Don't use the union dues, we have already lost far more than what the dues cost.
You will have much to gain. Someone to call when the company is pressuring you to do illegal ops. Someone that will inforce the manual and the contract that everyone agreed on. Flops won't even follow their own rules whenever it is convenient to break them with no repercussions. The FAA is not inforcing the rules, it will be left to us to self govern.
The 1108 is the only choice and a good choice.
I respect your choice.
Vote for the other union.......wait, there are'nt any!
No other union has expressed interest in the last 6 years.
I don't want to hear the "we could form our own in house union", that was propossed years ago. Unless you have about 5 million to pitch in to kick it off.
The IBT 1108 was formed for fractionals and has proven what they are made of. The 1108 is a group of professional fractional pilots flying multi-million dollar rigs around the world with mult-million dollar passengers in the rear.
You have nothing to loose voting in the 1108 at Flops unless you are an SFO getting special sweet heart deals.
Tell us what you will loose.
Don't use the union dues, we have already lost far more than what the dues cost.
You will have much to gain. Someone to call when the company is pressuring you to do illegal ops. Someone that will inforce the manual and the contract that everyone agreed on. Flops won't even follow their own rules whenever it is convenient to break them with no repercussions. The FAA is not inforcing the rules, it will be left to us to self govern.
The 1108 is the only choice and a good choice.
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I'd also add that the group of people involved with 1108 is far different from the Teamsters group that represented me at my last job. The leadership group of 1108 did a lot to reform the bad practices of the last leadership council, particularly highlighted by the fact we are under our own local instead of the previous 248.
I think it also speaks volume about this union that when the system-wide picket was held in early September, well over 80% of the union membership that had the day off participated. I think that's an incredible turnout and when you know some of those participants traveled significant distances to march, that says something about the nature of the union.
If you get good people in charge and get everyone involved, good things happen and the union is indeed a very important resource for all members.
I'd also add that the group of people involved with 1108 is far different from the Teamsters group that represented me at my last job. The leadership group of 1108 did a lot to reform the bad practices of the last leadership council, particularly highlighted by the fact we are under our own local instead of the previous 248.
I think it also speaks volume about this union that when the system-wide picket was held in early September, well over 80% of the union membership that had the day off participated. I think that's an incredible turnout and when you know some of those participants traveled significant distances to march, that says something about the nature of the union.
If you get good people in charge and get everyone involved, good things happen and the union is indeed a very important resource for all members.
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This is what Flops management is thinking
This was sent via BlackBerry yesterday.
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Vliek
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 10:44 AM
To: Scheduling; Scheduling 3rd Shift; Scheduling Managers
Cc: OCC_Managers; OCC_Director
Subject: Position and Travel
Team-
Recently Stephen put a note out regarding Day 8 travel and requesting airlines for crews at or after 1800. As our goal is to get all crewmembers home at a reasonable time on their last day, we must assure that we create a cushion of coverage in our schedule for the upcoming day to react to recoveries and growth in demand. It is a balancing act that we need to closely manage to meet both expectations and be successful at. Please find below the guidelines that we need to adhere to consistently each day to achieve this;
* Last Day Travel (Day 8) - Scheduling is to request airlines for ALL crewmembers (Regardless of demand) for their last day at or after 1800. If the crew is on the west coast and need to travel home to the east coast, then the request may be earlier since airline availability begins to cease after 1400. This also can be executed in locations where there is limited airline availability.
* First Day Travel (Day 0 and Day 1) - Scheduling is to request airlines for ALL crew members for their first day on the first available airline unless trips are already scheduled and we need to adjust airlines to fit within the crew members duty day.
* In addition, please keep in mind that we need to closely monitor the changes we make to crew members for their first day. Many crew members need to arrange transportation, childcare arrangements, etc. When we schedule a crew member and make excessive changes where they are scheduled to come out late, early, late, early, it makes it difficult for the crew member to make arrangements to meet their flight schedule. I know most of you will say that this is driven by the optimizer runs. However, if the scheduler is aware of the demand for their cabin type and intervenes when necessary, we can avoid the majority of these issues.
If you have any questions, please let me know.
Tom
greygoose said:
This was sent via BlackBerry yesterday.
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Vliek
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 10:44 AM
To: Scheduling; Scheduling 3rd Shift; Scheduling Managers
Cc: OCC_Managers; OCC_Director
Subject: Position and Travel
Team-
Recently Stephen put a note out regarding Day 8 travel and requesting airlines for crews at or after 1800. As our goal is to get all crewmembers home at a reasonable time on their last day, we must assure that we create a cushion of coverage in our schedule for the upcoming day to react to recoveries and growth in demand. It is a balancing act that we need to closely manage to meet both expectations and be successful at. Please find below the guidelines that we need to adhere to consistently each day to achieve this;
* Last Day Travel (Day 8) - Scheduling is to request airlines for ALL crewmembers (Regardless of demand) for their last day at or after 1800. If the crew is on the west coast and need to travel home to the east coast, then the request may be earlier since airline availability begins to cease after 1400. This also can be executed in locations where there is limited airline availability.
* First Day Travel (Day 0 and Day 1) - Scheduling is to request airlines for ALL crew members for their first day on the first available airline unless trips are already scheduled and we need to adjust airlines to fit within the crew members duty day.
* In addition, please keep in mind that we need to closely monitor the changes we make to crew members for their first day. Many crew members need to arrange transportation, childcare arrangements, etc. When we schedule a crew member and make excessive changes where they are scheduled to come out late, early, late, early, it makes it difficult for the crew member to make arrangements to meet their flight schedule. I know most of you will say that this is driven by the optimizer runs. However, if the scheduler is aware of the demand for their cabin type and intervenes when necessary, we can avoid the majority of these issues.
If you have any questions, please let me know.
Tom
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