FLOPS announcement?

[Mach92]

What cities are tier 3 and 2? If they choose to close these then what?

 

[Dep676]

There are 54 tier three airports used by about 100 FO pilots. What are the choices? Use another airport of company choice or move on.

What better way to thin out the pilot force. That is from a company stand point and a JS stand point. We might not need all these pilots until we get the fleets straighted out. So let's force them out and we will hire new guys that are cheaper.

I no way do I agree with this at all. Just some thought of guys on the road.

Have you really looked at the list of airports? Ever wonder how they figure a tier 2 or tier 3? The list is a joke. There are some ariports listed as a tier 2 that should be a tier 3. Also the other way around.

 

[Dep676]

I spoke with Joe S. this week for about 30 minutes while in CGF waiting for an airplane to go green. During this conversation, the key points he made were:

- All rumors about being purchased by anybody - NJA, Swift, Carlyle, etc - are BS. He said we will continue to be owned by RAC and the private investors that currently own us.(take this one for what it's worth - he may not even know what's going on, or he may be required to deny - as they did with the FLOPS/RTA merger, right up until the announcement)

- Aircraft fleets will be BE400, Hawker 800XP, Citation X, and Legacy. All others will be phased out as contracts expire.

- The reason that people were required to sign a non-disclosure agreement from the "focus group" meetings is because they gave specific numbers as to how the company is doing. He further stated that we are not a publicly held company, so those numbers will not be released to the public. Also, the company future plan was disclosed at these meetings. (no, I wasn't at one of them - this is just what I was told)

- The reason that we did not make money last year was primarily caused by maintenance and fuel costs. Imagine that. Old airplanes break often, and they know this(now). That's why they plan to phase them out.

- Tier 3 domiciles will be going away(as if you guys didn't already know that). Unsure about some of the Tier 2.

I did not ask about the pilot hiring situation. I should have, but I didn't think about it.

Do you actually believe anything that comes out that man's mouth? That is if I can really call him a man.

 

[Frac Daddy]

- Tier 3 domiciles will be going away(as if you guys didn't already know that). Unsure about some of the Tier 2.

I did not ask about the pilot hiring situation. I should have, but I didn't think about it.

Just for clarification; who is unsure about some of the Tier 2 airports. You or Joe S. Why would anyone be unsure about Tier 2 airports if, in order to be Tier 2, you met the requirements spelled out in the company manual.

 

[Dep676]

Just for clarification; who is unsure about some of the Tier 2 airports. You or Joe S. Why would anyone be unsure about Tier 2 airports if, in order to be Tier 2, you met the requirements spelled out in the company manual.

Not true there are a few airports that meet the companies 3 airline and 6 flights a days and they are called tier 3 airports. Meanwhile there are tier 2 airports that do not even meet the 3 airline 6 flights a day. I think it comes down to the buddy system again. Just like pay there are guys that are making 6 figures in the BJ that should not be.

 

[FracCapt]

Just for clarification; who is unsure about some of the Tier 2 airports. You or Joe S. Why would anyone be unsure about Tier 2 airports if, in order to be Tier 2, you met the requirements spelled out in the company manual.

Joe was unsure of the status of Tier 2. Based on the company meeting today, it sounds as if they are still not sure what, exactly, they plan to do. None of us know what qualifies an airport as a Tier 1, Tier 2, or Tier 3. I'd be willing to bet that they're looking at ALL the airports, and determining what the average cost is in/out of there...as well as availability of flights....and those that are much more expensive and/or restrictive will be gone, regardless of the "Tier" they are in.

 

[Frac Daddy]

Joe was unsure of the status of Tier 2. Based on the company meeting today, it sounds as if they are still not sure what, exactly, they plan to do. None of us know what qualifies an airport as a Tier 1, Tier 2, or Tier 3. I'd be willing to bet that they're looking at ALL the airports, and determining what the average cost is in/out of there...as well as availability of flights....and those that are much more expensive and/or restrictive will be gone, regardless of the "Tier" they are in.

Unless you are one of Joe's buddies.

 

[Dep676]

Joe was unsure of the status of Tier 2. Based on the company meeting today, it sounds as if they are still not sure what, exactly, they plan to do. None of us know what qualifies an airport as a Tier 1, Tier 2, or Tier 3. I'd be willing to bet that they're looking at ALL the airports, and determining what the average cost is in/out of there...as well as availability of flights....and those that are much more expensive and/or restrictive will be gone, regardless of the "Tier" they are in.

Joe is unsure of a lot of things. Except finding ways to screw the pilot group. That is the only thing he is good at. Also by the looks of his waistband. He is a pretty good eater too.

 

[minimums]

How many would quit if offered a 4/3 schedule?

I am 1.

 

[SheGaveMeClap]

I am 2.

I know alot of people that would.

 

[inverted1]

Ya know what is funny...all of this fuel savings that we were so concerned with before is a total loss now that we have over 10 aircraft that aren't RVSM and running under FL 290.

oh well...