Flight Safety Hong Kong G550 type

[X-rated]

Did you sign an 8710 before the check ride?

 

[Adios]

Apologize Coool, please understand that this situation is a little frustrating for me.
Well yes, I am sure you know a lot about the 142 schools. Anyway, the thing that is difficult to understand is, how can (I) be the "client" if I am the one who in reality is paying for the G550 type, by being bonded through the company. Yes, I realize the company signed the agreement with FSI, but FSI should NOT be allowed to withhold a temp certificate from someone like me.

On the confirmation report from flight safety, it clearly says "equivalent 142, equivalent 61.157."

Thanks for chiming in...I am learning tons.

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

FSI, or any other 142 Training Center, cannot legally withhold your training records...at least your FAA training records. Believe me, the training centers get asked to do this all the time. Usually it's by less-than-honest 135 operators who don't want their pilots walking with a fresh type and a fresh .293/.297. You should know that it is illegal to do this. If you ask for your training records they have to give them to you. If you were enrolled in an initial type course with concurrent CAAC and FAA added type rating objectives then you are certainly entitled to your FAA type rating if it was successfully completed. I'm concerned that your only objective was CAAC. I do know that the FSI center in HK is an FAA approved 142 training center (at least last time I checked). I've also never heard of someone having issues with the three takeoff and landings required by the CAAC.

Knowing China like I do, I could imagine a scenario where the company you were hired by didn't pay off the right official and you paid the price. Probably had nothing to do with you. Ive also heard of instances where pilots were hired, sent to training, and then the deal fell through. A few Yuan's to the right person and you fail your ride and the company gets its money back. No loss to them, nor concern for some "round eye".

China is a very interesting place my friend, and the things that aren't said mean as much or more than what is actually said.

 

[Adios]

I couldn't agree with you more about the "Chinese pay off." I initially thought the same thing when I sat down in the left seat to do the touch and go's and the CAAC guy said this is a check ride. At that point I'm thinking...wow again!!!!!

As for my training records from FSI, I have the records that are posted on their website. I also thoroughly understand why the Chinese companies don't let FSI give the 61.157 to their "clients." As I stated previously about the (objective,) the only thing that is in the objective is: "equivalent" 142, and 61.157.

Right..I have been here in China for 3 years, and I never heard of a pilot failing "touch and go's," especially from the same CAAC who just observed a successful 6 hr G550 practical test from a TCE.

 

[rumrnr78]

Coool..you're NOT in China!!!

I have attended many "schoolhouses" in America/China and not once have I ever had the opportunity to fill out the flight safety/CAE paper work to say what I wanted on my FAA/CAAC license.

In (China) the schoolhouse FSI manager does NOT come into the classroom to advise the Chinese pilots what they will receive on their licenses, not to mention the sole FAA American pilot who is paying for his G550 type through a bond with the Chinese company.

And, I wasn't aware that an FAA Part 142 school could say...well today we will operate "equiventley" but tomorrow we will operate as a full Part 142 school. Either they're a 142 school or NOT!!

That being said, can you imagine if your college institution said, " well, when you graduated, we were accredited, but today, we are not accredited....sorry if you/parents paid 200K for you BS degree.

The attorney's will have a field day when flight safety says, well "we operated at "equivalent" to a Part 142 school on this day, and we're in the business of giving diplomas on how to fly G550 airplanes, but NOT really accredited or governed by any agency when we so feel like it. LOL

Chime in when ready

I had friends graduate from a Uni that went bankrupt. Their degrees are still valid but the school is gone.

Now, I don't mean to flame but I have to ask why someone, in China already, would write a check for a type rating to be put on a CAAC ATP? You do know that your CAAC ATP is tied to your employer and you can't take it with you right?


I worked with one of the most unprofessional pilots on the planet and he somehow got on with a Chinese company. He had to repeat something he busted on his check ride but he got through and is flying the line.

I don't know your situation but maybe you need to look at other employers in the region.

Good Luck!

 

[brokeflyer]

good thing you gave them a fake check.....aint no better feeling than cheating a cheater.

 

[Adios]

Broke, that is way to funny and you're so right!!!

The check was a deposit for the type and should have been returned after initial training in HK after I successfully passed the practical test. And besides, the initial training in HK was to be completed in June, so after June, the deposit check expired...kind of!! $30,000 usd seemed like a small price to pay for a G550/450 type with time in the a/c, plus a better salary than in the U.S.

 

[Adios]

rum, yes I do understand that I cannot take the ATP with me. However, when I return home to the USA, all I need to do is take the "prior experience" check ride to add the type to my FAA. That being said, NO Part 142 school, such as FSI HK should be allowed to put "equivalent 142/61.157 in the objective box on the training records, this is against FAA Part 142 regulations. The "objective" must be clear...and equivalent is NOT a clear objective. And as you know, the only reason why FSI does this, is because the Chinese companies don't want you to run off with the type.

Cheers

 

[X-rated]

Adios,

I don't know where you're living now, but If I were you, I would get myself down to the nearest FSI center that gives G550 Initials, and sit in the Center Managers office until he makes it right. I would definitely not call, but go in person and go straight to the Center Manager. It won't cost FSI much to do the right thing, and it will be harder to turn you away in person. It would be much better if you could go to HK, but I assume that's not feasible. These guys are in the customer service business. Be respectful but firm. They can easily fix this for you if they want to.

 

[Adios]

X-rated,

Yes, I totally agree with you X. I have been in contact with the HK FSI manager who is an extremely nice gentleman, and (he) is in contact with the SAV FSI manager to resolve the problem. I have been very nice, but firm in my conversations with both HK and SAV FSI. I only want to solve this without having to take it any further than emails and phone conversations. However, the feds are a little curious how FSI HK can state "Equivalent 142 61.157 school" in the objective. NOT to mention, (I) am acting as both (client/customer.)

 

[rumrnr78]

rum, yes I do understand that I cannot take the ATP with me. However, when I return home to the USA, all I need to do is take the "prior experience" check ride to add the type to my FAA. That being said, NO Part 142 school, such as FSI HK should be allowed to put "equivalent 142/61.157 in the objective box on the training records, this is against FAA Part 142 regulations. The "objective" must be clear...and equivalent is NOT a clear objective. And as you know, the only reason why FSI does this, is because the Chinese companies don't want you to run off with the type.

Cheers

I did not know that about the "prior experience" part. I hope you can get this resolved.

Are you still with the company that sent you to training?

If not and you get the type put on your FAA cert you should have no trouble finding contract work.

All the best- Rum

 

[Adios]

yes, it looks like I will stay with the company and retrain for the "touch and go's" HA HA.

I was just a little worried about getting the type on my FAA and NOT having any time in the a/c if I had to go back home, but what could I do. I guess someone would eventually feel sorry for me and give me a break, after all they did with all my other types. LOL

Thanks Rum...fly safe