Flight Options Union Drive Strengthening

[gutshotdraw]

Maybe because some people would be unhappy no matter where they were.

You remember the difference between pilots and puppies....

 

[Diesel]

Puppies get their balls cut off?

 

[TonyC]

Why in the world would you go with IBT, or any other "union", as opposed to your own union?

What IS the advantage?

Resources, and experience, to name two.

Larger groups can afford more resources. Why buy a table saw that you'll only use once every three years if you can borrow the neighborhood table saw? In addition to the table saw, you'll want lawyers, accountants, safety specialists, negotiating experts, contract amdinistration experts, ... the list goes on and on.

Experience - - why reinvent the wheel? It's far less painful (and expensive) to learn from the mistakes of others than to learn from making the same mistakes yourself. Sure, you can go out and shop for your own saw, but wouldn't it be better to take advantage of the experience your neighbor has obtained by going through the process himself? It could save you from making a costly mistake.


Whether it's local or affiliated, it still boils down to the people at home. No national union will do the work for you. It's your locally-elected representatives that make it happen on a day-to-day basis. Whether Capt Joe Blow is the President of the In-House Union, the President of the Local, or the President of the MEC, he's still the guy that goes to The Company to "git-er-done." It's the PEOPLE that make the difference.



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[HerculesPilot]

I am not saying you are a liar, but every day I run into an unhappy NJ pilot. Not that you cannot run into an unhappy pilot every day, but I have yet to meet a happy NJ pilot. I wish you the best of luck.

Griz doesn't lie. It's been a very turbulent time for all of us at NJA. The union is the BEST thing that has happened! The TA isn't perfect, but it saves me a 3 hour drive each way and nearly doubles the wages of a significant number of pilots. I was at Eagle for 6 years and I believe that just about every pilot group (minus SWA) is unhappy-depending on who you talk to. I'm actually pretty happy now.

 

[HotelMonkey]

Thanks to 1108, I am now hanging my hat (if I had one) at NJA. I have always said the people were great here and now the money aint to bad either. The job is actually pretty fun and the amount of time off makes it even better. Best of luck to FLOPs, you guys and gals deserve stronger tailwinds!

 

[choppengruven]

WOW! How does a Flight Options post become a Netjets post so quickly? quick somebody squak 7500 we been hijacked.

 

[choppengruven]

thanks for the kind words. We have a long way to go and it's all uphill.

 

[Phoenix]

For those visually challenged

For those of you that have chosen not to read NJ new TA I'll try and splane it to you.

I have been putting together a side by side comparison of what the TA provides the NJ pilots compared to what the Options pilots have for the same benefit or chapter. Its an extremely one sided comparison that even a person that dose not read could discern from the extensive letters in one column and the near lack of the same in the other. For every chapter of the TA the Options pilots either have nothing to compare or are miserably below what the TA provides to the NJ pilots.

So for those of you that want to take shots at the IBT or the 1108 or somehow want to diminish what the benefits of the TA are to the NJ pilots, you nee to first read it, second compare it chapter by chapter to what Options and all the other fractional pilot groups have. Once you have done that come back here and give specific subjects or chapters that do not measure up to what any other fractional pilots group has.

I will be willing to bet that there will be nothing for you to come back here with.

Options pilots GET THOSE CARDS IN ASAP

Phoenix
CONTRACT ASAP

 

[ultrarunner]

For those of you that have chosen not to read NJ new TA I'll try and splane it to you.

I have been putting together a side by side comparison of what the TA provides the NJ pilots compared to what the Options pilots have for the same benefit

....blah....blah...blah...


that's the spirit Phoenix...a union will save you...

Netjets gets a TA, that's not even ratifed yet, and all the world is good...


...you are WAY behind on your current events as it pertains to union representation, and how good it's been for employee groups as of late....

but that's ok....

...you belive what you want to believe...

I'll give you the benefit that you're simply ignorant....


night night

 

[gunfyter]

Well Runner,

I guess he should just cast his fate to the hands of management...

"And then the Vulture eats you..."

You should recognize that as an Ultra-marathoner

 

[cosmotheassman]

People that want unions, well, need unions.... Ponder that thought...

 

[Phoenix]

Bring it


Well runner as I said I truly do welcome you to do a side by side comparison of what the TA gives the NJ pilots vs. what the Options pilots have. Bring that back with you and we will discuss how you find a Options pilot benefits with out a contract. I have no illusion that a union and a contract will be a cure all or make Options a utopia in which to work. I do believe that it will make it a much better place for me and future pilots at Options to earn a living.

As far as ratification goes my guess is it will pass by 75% or better.


Phoenix
CONTRACT ASAP

....blah....blah...blah...


that's the spirit Phoenix...a union will save you...

Netjets gets a TA, that's not even ratifed yet, and all the world is good...


...you are WAY behind on your current events as it pertains to union representation, and how good it's been for employee groups as of late....

but that's ok....

...you belive what you want to believe...

I'll give you the benefit that you're simply ignorant....


night night

 

[ultrarunner]

Well Runner,

I guess he should just cast his fate to the hands of management...

"And then the Vulture eats you..."

You should recognize that as an Ultra-marathoner

I do.


I just haven't seen many examples in the last couple of years that leads me down the path that the union is going to help my cause.

 

[slowjet]

union card

Where can I get a card to send in?

 

[Phoenix]

Card

Where can I get a card to send in?

Send me an email at [email protected] with your name, address, and phone # and I'll get you some in the mail ASAP. Or you can register on the IBT 1108 Options Pilots Message Board http://www.ibt1108.org/foasap.html and down load a card from the site.

Thanks

Phoenix
CONTRACT ASAP

 

[Phoenix]

I do.


I just haven't seen many examples in the last couple of years that leads me down the path that the union is going to help my cause.

Then you have not done what I suggested regarding the TA. Read It. After you have done this tell me where a Options pilot is better off then he would be with the NJ TA.

Phoenix
CONTRACT ASAP

 

[waka]

People that want unions, well, need unions.... Ponder that thought...

Really?? Nothing gets past you!

Now you ponder that one Socrates.

 

[TurboJetCpt]

Then you have not done what I suggested regarding the TA. Read It. After you have done this tell me where a Options pilot is better off then he would be with the NJ TA.

Phoenix
CONTRACT ASAP

He won't read it. Even if he DID read it, he would still bitch about _____. (fill in the blank) For he is truly "ignorant." (as he referred to you in an earlier post) Just let him lie in his own pile of dung...he likes it there, warm and comfortable, softly mumbling to himself...blah blah blah.

 

[cosmotheassman]

Hey Waka!

I meant its people that probably should be fired can't be because of a union; therefore, they need the union to keep their jobs. I'm not totally against a union but, they can be counterproductive.

 

[DX Rick]

People that want unions, well, need unions.... Ponder that thought...

Couldn't agree more.