Flight Options and the Phenom 300 Program

[CA1900]

Depends on your budget, of course. :laugh: I do like the Excel a lot; it's slightly above entry level, I guess, but not a whole lot.

The Phenom, in terms of cabin size, will be roughly inbetween the Ultra/Encore and the Excel. When I took a look at one up close, it looked a good bit more comfortable than some of the older designs.

 

[clickclickboom]

ya but its an embraer which basically makes it 80% a piece of crap throwaway jet

 

[johnsonrod]

ya but its an embraer which basically makes it 80% a piece of crap throwaway jet

Interesting you say that. I recently spoke with a JB E190 pilot and he said the same thing - he thought the E190 was a big, plastic "bic razor."

But you'd think the Phenom 300 would be built for more "discriminating" clientel than the NY/BOS to Florida Jetblue crowd....

 

[Pervis]

Will the top-secret NetJets Platinum Edition Phenom, which no one else on the planet can buy, have TRs?

Certification is done without considering Trs. Some jets do have supplemental data, but the numbers are based upon braking action alone. Those numbers for the 300 look very impressive. I believe I read 2500 feet at max gross landing weight. TRs are nice, but certainly not necessary.

 

[paulsalem]

The Phenom 100 is a piece of junk. You can tell it was made to it's price point. I've never been inside a P300.

The 400XT gets your more range, speed and altitude for less (both hourly and acquisition). It also has real avionics. The G1000 is pretty but it can't do crap.

Comparison Chart

The cabin seems nice, has a flat floor and the latest technology. The P300 has an externally serviced lav, lots of baggage, and is single pilot. Aside from those points it seems the 400XT is the better aircraft.

I've never been inside of either of these aircraft. Just looking at the spics it seems like the 400XT is the better one. Has anyone been inside or flown both of them?

 

[CA1900]

Our version won't have the G1000; that's part of the special version we're getting. I believe it's the 5000 we're getting (to have commonality with the new Citation Ten), but can't find that for sure right now.

 

[paulsalem]

Our version won't have the G1000; that's part of the special version we're getting. I believe it's the 5000 we're getting (to have commonality with the new Citation Ten), but can't find that for sure right now.

You are right but it's the G3000. G5000 is for part 25 aircraft only.

 

[CA1900]

Ah, makes sense; must be the 3000 then.

Netjets has also been steering clear of Williams-powered airplanes for quite a while now; apparently the Pratts are much easier to service out in the field. That may be why the Nextant 400 wasn't considered. (That, and the fact that it isn't a new plane; I'm not sure how that'd fit with our model.)

 

[NJAowner]

Nextant probably wasn't considered by NJ because it is made/re-made by a company affiliated with FO. If the Phenom is "such a POS" why would NJ be buying so many especially with the number of hours they hope to fly for the 12 years they operate the aircraft?

 

[NachoMamma]

If the Phenom is "such a POS" why would NJ be buying so many especially with the number of hours they hope to fly for the 12 years they operate the aircraft?

Because they were cheap. We got the Beech junk the same way.

 

[paulsalem]

I think the 100 and 300 are built differently. Not sure though.

 

[BentOver]

There is always someone somewhere who thinks an airplane is a piece of junk...

I'm betting that the -300 will sell better and be more popular than the Beechjet or the Ultra..

Now for that mid-size order

 

[jetlag7]

Gosh...I found this refreshing.

A lot better than whether to have Fidelity of Charlie offer investment options on a 401(k) plan.

Then why bring it up in an un-related forum?

 

[G4dude]

There is always someone somewhere who thinks an airplane is a piece of junk...

I'm betting that the -300 will sell better and be more popular than the Beechjet or the Ultra..

Now for that mid-size order

I think so too.

 

[rajflyboy]

Wet or snowy runway with a bit of a tailwind and maybe 5000 feet or so

Oh yes the numbers work