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[BombJet45]

Wow! That Netjet's FO pay is truly eye opening (captain pay isn't too shabby either). My bet is CS will match Netjets raise. Flex will take their time and come up with just enough to appease the pilots that are on the union fence. The trick for management is what will that raise be: 10%, 15%, 20%? Flex is already behind on pay alone and that's not even mentioning Flex's subpar health benefits. I can see it now, the road show that explains how excited they are bringing the pilots a new package that falls well short. Here is a quoted line you will be sure to hear, "We do not see how Netjets will be able to afford this new pay scale."

 

[NETFLIER]

300 pilot,

with comments like you made, i would say STOP drinking the kool-aid. but clearly you need to STOP smoking Weed as well.

Bright side is when you dont make it as a union pilot there will some stand-up comedy work someplace for you.

We all set the standard and believe we should all be paid equally for doing such. Your idealism continues to show your one side is for you and you only. I feel sorry for your fellow workers.

 

[skyismyoffice]

"We do not see how Netjets will be able to afford this new pay scale."

I love that line!! Options was throwing it around after the initial Net Jets contract passed. Man was it great to throw it back in their faces the first quarter Net Jets posted a profit.

I have to agree with all those Flex pilots that are worried about losing benefits at the whim of some company bean counter. A contract is truley the only way to get some piece of mind. I won't sugar coat it though - the road to the contract is tough! Don't know if I will be able to stick it out.

 

[johnsonrod]

It costs more to train new pilots than it does to retain happy, existing pilots who get better at what they do over time (they learn the ropes and remain consistent in terms of service delivery - very important). Attrition can get very expensive quickly - I am sure FLOPS can vouch for that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Club ORD FO]

I do wonder how our attrition compares to the other fracs. I dont think ours it TOO high. And I dont think anybody is leaving because they dont like it here. It is a good company and the flying is great, but there is just more money to be made other places. I'd like to stay here for another 30 years (would be nice to have that kind of job security) but there are certainly a lot of other opportunities out there offering better pay.

Management has eluded to some sort of response to the NJ increase, so I guess we'll wait and see what it is. There is such a variety of things that people want fixed though. Some are looking for more pay, I'm all about more gateways, others are really concerned about the retirement, others are very unhappy with the medical benefits, and still others want more time off. If they really want to slow down attrition they are going to have to fix a whole bunch of those.

 

[flexpilot]

My comments in red below.

I do wonder how our attrition compares to the other fracs. I dont think ours it TOO high. And I dont think anybody is leaving because they dont like it here. I bet we have at least 100 former Flexjet pilots at NetJets. Former FlexJet Captains and FO's. Everyone of them I talked to left because of broken promises and they absolutely hated the liars and backstabbers in management. If the IBB passes we'll have many more. The smart pilots are not going to wait to form a union. They are going to do exactly as I did, vote with their feet! Recently a captain that I flew with called me. We haven't talked in 2 years. He wanted information on our TA. He is seriously considering leaving, he's been with FlexJet 8 years. It is a good company and the flying is great, but there is just more money to be made other places. I'd like to stay here for another 30 years (would be nice to have that kind of job security) but there are certainly a lot of other opportunities out there offering better pay.

Management has eluded to some sort of response to the NJ increase, so I guess we'll wait and see what it is. There is such a variety of things that people want fixed though. Some are looking for more pay, I'm all about more gateways, others are really concerned about the retirement, others are very unhappy with the medical benefits, and still others want more time off. If they really want to slow down attrition they are going to have to fix a whole bunch of those.

You're kidding right?

That is your response to low wages, lack of bases and regressive health care? Wait and see what happens? Depend on management to do the right thing? How many times does Lucy pull the football away Charlie Brown? I would either be sending out resumes or organizing.

Good luck my friend. You are certainly depending on it.

 

[dime line]

I do wonder how our attrition compares to the other fracs. I dont think ours it TOO high. And I dont think anybody is leaving because they dont like it here. It is a good company and the flying is great, but there is just more money to be made other places. I'd like to stay here for another 30 years (would be nice to have that kind of job security) but there are certainly a lot of other opportunities out there offering better pay.

Management has eluded to some sort of response to the NJ increase, so I guess we'll wait and see what it is. There is such a variety of things that people want fixed though. Some are looking for more pay, I'm all about more gateways, others are really concerned about the retirement, others are very unhappy with the medical benefits, and still others want more time off.

If they really want to slow down attrition they are going to have to fix a whole bunch of those

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They don't have to fix anything, why you ask? YOU. And all the pilots like you. They have pilots that are wanting to wait "to see what they give us". Give being the all important word. Your comments sound like your head is in the sand, and don't want to rock the boat.