Flexjet Pilot Authorization Cards

[doylehargraves]

He is obviously a new F/O because he gets home reserve frequently. He hasn't been here long enough to understand that working things out "internally" DOES NOT WORK AT FLEXJET. It took over 2 years just to get a Denver base opened and, when they did open it, they closed Ontario immediately without an announcement. Mr Gross is a firm believer that we MUST give up something for him to give us something. The idea that we've earned something is not in his vocabulary.

 

[SilverSurfer]

It seems to me instead of trying to bring an external organization into the picture it would be better to handle it internally. I have always felt that way. It would make more sense to me to have a FlexJet Safety committee, benefits committe, etc. I know that is what the CAB is suppose to do but I think making corrections like that would do a lot of good. I would like to see the CAB be elected be the pilot group and more committees started to make improvements at Flex. Although, things have not been too bad for me at Flex so it has hard for me to preach the union. I guess it is just luck of the draw.

You are right that it would be much nicer to do business the way you discribe. The problem is that none of the good that any of these pilot focus groups produce are protected by law or have a commitment from management to instatute them. There is not a contract in place that spells out how the pilots and the compnay will do business, what the pilots will expect from management or what the company and managementa should expect from the pilots. Without a mutualy negotiated and aggreeded to binding CONTRACT maqagement is under no requirment and has no motovation to accept any changes or suggestions from a pilot focus group.

Go through the pain to gain a contract, it won't be easy but in the long run it will be worth it.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Like I said we must work at different companies within the same company because I do not get it. I

Ummmm..we all work at the same company. So unless you get some special deal, I believe you and I have the same sub-par medical, below industry average pay and 401K and overtime rates, no holiday pay, a PBS system this is not seniority driven, 4 bases (worst the industry), rolling rest, sub-par first and last day work rules, no personal days, 10 days of paid vacation per year instead of 14, 202 days worked per year (also the worst in the industry) and one major one to trump them all: job protection.

I dont care at all how many legs I fly in day. I want and deserve industry standard (or better) pay, benefits, and QOL, and I want job protection. I dont believe the company will do that own their own, and I dont believe the CAB is effective.

I dont know who you run into on the road, but easily more than half the people I run into in the FBO and hotels are pro union or at least open to the idea. If you are a known anti-union pilot, chances are everybody keeps their mouth shut around you.

Union!! we are well on the way, hopefully this recent mailing will put us over the edge.

 

[3fingerjudy]

can things be better yes, do I think everyone hates it here no, but I just do not believe the union is the answer

Do I hate it here? No, I work with some great people and I like the job. However, when you are given a 3pm start time and they tell you that you will being going to midnight, you try and stay up a little later so you can sleep in to compensate for the next late night, but then you are woken up by the 5am phone call. That happened to me 3 of 5 days on my last rotation. You know it is bad when D.G. doesnt even go to the CAB meetings anymore. We need change, and I think there is only one way to acheive the changes we need to make this a long term place of employment. As I stated, I like the people I fly with and don't want to have to start at the bottom again to get the quality of life I want. Send in your cards so you can at least have your say, union or non-union. If your still on the fence, I think hearing both sides will help you decide.

 

[CL300Pilot]

You might want to read the BB regarding someones last day on duty. That was above and beyond BS. Can you count the safety issues on that flight? While a union might not be the end all be all, I have yet to see the CAB accomplish anything. Not that they have not tried mind you, they just are not getting the cooperaton from DG and company. At least, that is what I hear. I for one am very happy with Flex, but there are some things that must, not have, to change.

can things be better yes, do I think everyone hates it here no, but I just do not believe the union is the answer

 

[B19 Flyer]

I was the initial organizer for the effort at Flight Options. During the drive we had pilots that expressed the same concerns regarding putting various information on the cards that you are having.

Keep assuring your pilots that these cards are going to a secure location and that the information on them will not fall into the wrong hands. We had a management that was actively looking for the organizers of our drive and they never did. When we did finally take off the mask of names we had been using during the drive and management found out who we were, I think they were shocked. All but one of us had been ardent anti union pilot during the previous drives.

Keep pressing your pilots to have the courage to stand up for what they believe is right and to have faith in the process. The road you are on is a hard one but its a road worth traveling.

It takes even more courage to not get caught up in the union mob mentality and tell the union organizers to take a hike. Don't allow yourselves to be pressured into whatever agenda they have because the disruptions to your career can be never ending. The union contract is wonderful when times are good, but do your research and see the damage pilot unions have done to the industry during economic downturns like the one we are about to enter. It's a scorched earth policy. Remember to be careful what you ask for.

www.unionfacts.com

 

[gunfyter]

don't let someone who is not even a pilot tell you that you don't need a union. You do need one. The union is pilots helping pilots.

Let me tell you, 1108 is an awesome union. Help raise the bar for pilots everywhere.

 

[bailey3083]

It looks like to me that management is getting worried that the drive is picking up steam and has started their anti union campaign by having their people making posts everywhere just how great this company is.

 

[B19 Flyer]

don't let someone who is not even a pilot tell you that you don't need a union. You do need one. The union is pilots helping pilots.

Let me tell you, 1108 is an awesome union. Help raise the bar for pilots everywhere.

Let me correct you. That's someone that is no longer a pilot.

And the bar is raised high for sure. Don't forget, "United plus one" was the mantra seven years ago, and we all know where the industry was 18 months later and the failures that came with union inaction.

 

[Galaxy]

Let me correct you. That's someone that is no longer a pilot.

And the bar is raised high for sure. Don't forget, "United plus one" was the mantra seven years ago, and we all know where the industry was 18 months later and the failures that came with union inaction.

B19,
I see you have added a 738 type-planning on going to SWA?
One thing I can't figure out is for a guy that has 205 post here why is it the 204 of them are about anti union stuff? Even if you were passionate about it which I respect but do not agree with- I have my opinions and feelings but feel the need to say them 204 times in 18 months. I still can't find anyone on these boards that can only talk about one thing-you have never posted anything about your flying history. But now you want to be recognized as a "former" pilot. I don't know who you are-nor do I really care but it is obvious you have some serious vested interest in not having a union at any fractional. It is so clear that it is just more than an opinion-it seems to be your job here.
I looked at your anti union links and they all seem to be run by union busting firms. On the other side all that stuff spells out ariline info not fractional-the two business models are different except the fact they both have planes and pilots and support staff. What info do you have on unions at the fractionals? Last I heard was that everyone at the 1108 was happy and even mgt was happy now that they have all learned to work as one.
I doubt you ever will come out and be honest here but what is your real agenda?

 

[kab1027]

Let me correct you. That's someone that is no longer a pilot.

And the bar is raised high for sure. Don't forget, "United plus one" was the mantra seven years ago, and we all know where the industry was 18 months later and the failures that came with union inaction.

Can someone refresh my memory on how to ignore someone here? I've had enough of the idiot known as B19, and for Christmas, I want to never read anything from him again.

 

[CL300Pilot]

Go to "User Cp" at the top of your page and select that. From there go to Buddy/Ignore List. Input whoever you wish to block and that is that.

Can someone refresh my memory on how to ignore someone here? I've had enough of the idiot known as B19, and for Christmas, I want to never read anything from him again.

 

[ce750drvr]

It takes even more courage to not get caught up in the union mob mentality and tell the union organizers to take a hike. Don't allow yourselves to be pressured into whatever agenda they have because the disruptions to your career can be never ending. The union contract is wonderful when times are good, but do your research and see the damage pilot unions have done to the industry during economic downturns like the one we are about to enter. It's a scorched earth policy. Remember to be careful what you ask for.

www.unionfacts.com

Take your facts and shove 'em up your a55!! Mismanagement is what hurt the airlines, not a union. Airlines reported record losses while pilots, FA, and mechanics all took pay cuts, but top level mgt. took record bonuses. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. So how much is your bonus if you avert a union? Get a life, a55clown.

 

[Club ORD FO]

I wonder if B19 works for that union busting firm flexjet has hired... otherwise why does he care so much about our company? or even our corner of the industry? he is not a frac pilot...

 

[finnjl]

I may have changed my mind about Flex. I may even send in my card after looking at the new NetJets pay if we do not get a nice raise. I did not realize how under paid we are. It is about 30,000/year less. An FO at NetJets makes more than a 3 year captain at Flex. We will know in January. Maybe. I guess airline pilot central posted Flexs new pay, anybody see it?