Flexjet Pilot Authorization Cards

[B19 Flyer]

I was the initial organizer for the effort at Flight Options. During the drive we had pilots that expressed the same concerns regarding putting various information on the cards that you are having.

Keep assuring your pilots that these cards are going to a secure location and that the information on them will not fall into the wrong hands. We had a management that was actively looking for the organizers of our drive and they never did. When we did finally take off the mask of names we had been using during the drive and management found out who we were, I think they were shocked. All but one of us had been ardent anti union pilot during the previous drives.

Keep pressing your pilots to have the courage to stand up for what they believe is right and to have faith in the process. The road you are on is a hard one but its a road worth traveling.

It takes even more courage to not get caught up in the union mob mentality and tell the union organizers to take a hike. Don't allow yourselves to be pressured into whatever agenda they have because the disruptions to your career can be never ending. The union contract is wonderful when times are good, but do your research and see the damage pilot unions have done to the industry during economic downturns like the one we are about to enter. It's a scorched earth policy. Remember to be careful what you ask for.

www.unionfacts.com

 

[gunfyter]

don't let someone who is not even a pilot tell you that you don't need a union. You do need one. The union is pilots helping pilots.

Let me tell you, 1108 is an awesome union. Help raise the bar for pilots everywhere.

 

[bailey3083]

It looks like to me that management is getting worried that the drive is picking up steam and has started their anti union campaign by having their people making posts everywhere just how great this company is.

 

[B19 Flyer]

don't let someone who is not even a pilot tell you that you don't need a union. You do need one. The union is pilots helping pilots.

Let me tell you, 1108 is an awesome union. Help raise the bar for pilots everywhere.

Let me correct you. That's someone that is no longer a pilot.

And the bar is raised high for sure. Don't forget, "United plus one" was the mantra seven years ago, and we all know where the industry was 18 months later and the failures that came with union inaction.

 

[Galaxy]

Let me correct you. That's someone that is no longer a pilot.

And the bar is raised high for sure. Don't forget, "United plus one" was the mantra seven years ago, and we all know where the industry was 18 months later and the failures that came with union inaction.

B19,
I see you have added a 738 type-planning on going to SWA?
One thing I can't figure out is for a guy that has 205 post here why is it the 204 of them are about anti union stuff? Even if you were passionate about it which I respect but do not agree with- I have my opinions and feelings but feel the need to say them 204 times in 18 months. I still can't find anyone on these boards that can only talk about one thing-you have never posted anything about your flying history. But now you want to be recognized as a "former" pilot. I don't know who you are-nor do I really care but it is obvious you have some serious vested interest in not having a union at any fractional. It is so clear that it is just more than an opinion-it seems to be your job here.
I looked at your anti union links and they all seem to be run by union busting firms. On the other side all that stuff spells out ariline info not fractional-the two business models are different except the fact they both have planes and pilots and support staff. What info do you have on unions at the fractionals? Last I heard was that everyone at the 1108 was happy and even mgt was happy now that they have all learned to work as one.
I doubt you ever will come out and be honest here but what is your real agenda?

 

[kab1027]

Let me correct you. That's someone that is no longer a pilot.

And the bar is raised high for sure. Don't forget, "United plus one" was the mantra seven years ago, and we all know where the industry was 18 months later and the failures that came with union inaction.

Can someone refresh my memory on how to ignore someone here? I've had enough of the idiot known as B19, and for Christmas, I want to never read anything from him again.

 

[CL300Pilot]

Go to "User Cp" at the top of your page and select that. From there go to Buddy/Ignore List. Input whoever you wish to block and that is that.

Can someone refresh my memory on how to ignore someone here? I've had enough of the idiot known as B19, and for Christmas, I want to never read anything from him again.

 

[ce750drvr]

It takes even more courage to not get caught up in the union mob mentality and tell the union organizers to take a hike. Don't allow yourselves to be pressured into whatever agenda they have because the disruptions to your career can be never ending. The union contract is wonderful when times are good, but do your research and see the damage pilot unions have done to the industry during economic downturns like the one we are about to enter. It's a scorched earth policy. Remember to be careful what you ask for.

www.unionfacts.com

Take your facts and shove 'em up your a55!! Mismanagement is what hurt the airlines, not a union. Airlines reported record losses while pilots, FA, and mechanics all took pay cuts, but top level mgt. took record bonuses. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. So how much is your bonus if you avert a union? Get a life, a55clown.

 

[Club ORD FO]

I wonder if B19 works for that union busting firm flexjet has hired... otherwise why does he care so much about our company? or even our corner of the industry? he is not a frac pilot...

 

[finnjl]

I may have changed my mind about Flex. I may even send in my card after looking at the new NetJets pay if we do not get a nice raise. I did not realize how under paid we are. It is about 30,000/year less. An FO at NetJets makes more than a 3 year captain at Flex. We will know in January. Maybe. I guess airline pilot central posted Flexs new pay, anybody see it?

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Hey finj, dont forget that sending in your card is not a "yes" vote, but rather you are just petitioning to allow for an official union drive. So, you can send in your card, but still decide to vote no when the time comes.

So there is no harm in sending in the card. At the very least, it will keep pressure on the company start paying attention to the CAB.

 

[SilverSurfer]

It works great......except for one thing

Can someone refresh my memory on how to ignore someone here? I've had enough of the idiot known as B19, and for Christmas, I want to never read anything from him again.

It works great......except for one thing.

Its great to open a thread and not see the rantings of this union busting, SCAB moron, but, people keep quoting his crap in the post they continue to reply to him in. This is exactly what his game is, create distraction away form the issues by waving his union busters flag thereby disrupting you guys from discussing your real concerns. Ignore him and he will go away.

Ignore the a$$hole his bull$hit is not worth getting your thread side tracked.

 

[finnjl]

actually I am a senior FO for those who wonder, and I still did not get christmas off but the junior guys did, i am not complaining too much as home reserve has been pretty good to me but talking to others that will end soon when my upgrade comes

one more thing, i still think we should wait and see what happens in January before everybody gets too upset, Flex still seems like a pretty good place to work.

One more thing, I promise. Look at Comair they were the highest paid in the regional world and best place to work after their successful strike that resulted in nice pay raises. Things are bad for them now. Delta used to be the same not so anymore. I am not saying anything but this is aviation and what looks good now and what the union gets may not always work out in the end. I am not trying to imply anything but it is something to think about. I apologize for my grammar, never my strong point but I am fairly decent at math and science.

 

[CL300Pilot]

Finjjl,

I could not agree with you more. That is a concern that I have as well.

Also, regarding your earlier question regardng APC, all they posted were new bases. The pay was never put on there.

actually I am a senior FO for those who wonder, and I still did not get christmas off but the junior guys did, i am not complaining too much as home reserve has been pretty good to me but talking to others that will end soon when my upgrade comes

one more thing, i still think we should wait and see what happens in January before everybody gets too upset, Flex still seems like a pretty good place to work.

One more thing, I promise. Look at Comair they were the highest paid in the regional world and best place to work after their successful strike that resulted in nice pay raises. Things are bad for them now. Delta used to be the same not so anymore. I am not saying anything but this is aviation and what looks good now and what the union gets may not always work out in the end. I am not trying to imply anything but it is something to think about. I apologize for my grammar, never my strong point but I am fairly decent at math and science.

 

[imacdog]

Comair is different from a frac in that 1) they do 100% contract work for another carrier and do not market on their own, 2) the level of service is secondary to cost with contract flying, and 3) because of the above reasons, Delta can simply reduce Comair's flying and replace them with a cheaper carrier if they so desire. As frac pilots, we work for our own brand names and set ourselves apart from the airlines with the services that we provide. We are all worth what we make, if not more, and are not competing with each other based soley on cost. The bar has just been set a little higher and I hope that all fractional pilots are able to meet that level.

 

[bunman45]

Does anyone know how close they are at flex to getting it to a vote?

 

[Club ORD FO]

well, there are 435ish pilots, and about 210 have signed up on the ibt1108.org message board. So there are certainly a lot of people interested. That doesn't mean that there are 210 cards tho, could be more or less. Not sure how many cards are officially in...

 

[Nolife]

Nobody home at the fax for the cards. Are they off for the holidays?

 

[doylehargraves]

I just love it when someone starts comparing Comair to a fractional. Come on man, you're not even in the same game making this comparison.

Also, I see a vote happening very soon. The silence and brushing off we've received from the top lately is indicative of what will happen in the future. We've had no CEO for months now and we have no Chief Pilot and no reason to expect an announcement on that any time soon. An announcement about when the "announcement" will be is absolutely ridiculous in my opinion. Why not just tell us, good god.

This is my opinion: If the "announcement" was very good news for us, it would have been made prior to the holidays to boost morale and productivity. The fact that we wait until after the peak days can only mean mediocrity and short comings.

 

[Mach92]

I just love it when someone starts comparing Comair to a fractional. Come on man, you're not even in the same game making this comparison.

Also, I see a vote happening very soon. The silence and brushing off we've received from the top lately is indicative of what will happen in the future. We've had no CEO for months now and we have no Chief Pilot and no reason to expect an announcement on that any time soon. An announcement about when the "announcement" will be is absolutely ridiculous in my opinion. Why not just tell us, good god.

This is my opinion: If the "announcement" was very good news for us, it would have been made prior to the holidays to boost morale and productivity. The fact that we wait until after the peak days can only mean mediocrity and short comings.

Amen Brother!