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[pers-headwall]

Check outhttp://www.unionfacts.com to learn about the real Teamsters.

Question for U-Can-Do. How long is your upgrade time at Net Jets? I'm sure you took a huge pay cut to jump ship after 6+ years. I can say you'd be closing in on a CL-300 slot soon. 221 days less your 3 weeks vacation = 206 days per year = a realistic Buck-and-a quarter annually.

Necromonger you're blowin' smoke. 17 day lines are easily available. 15 day lines seem realistic too unless I'm working the PBS wrong and just getting lucky.

Make sure you read http://www.unionfacts.com

 

[el raton]

Check outhttp://www.unionfacts.com to learn about the real Teamsters.

Question for U-Can-Do. How long is your upgrade time at Net Jets? I'm sure you took a huge pay cut to jump ship after 6+ years. I can say you'd be closing in on a CL-300 slot soon. 221 days less your 3 weeks vacation = 206 days per year = a realistic Buck-and-a quarter annually.

Necromonger you're blowin' smoke. 17 day lines are easily available. 15 day lines seem realistic too unless I'm working the PBS wrong and just getting lucky.

Make sure you read http://www.unionfacts.com[/quote Hello Rick, How is office life treating you.

 

[gunfyter]

After you read about unionfacts... make sure you read some management facts by reading all about ENRON.

Make sure you read Confessions of a Union Buster by Marty Levvitt.

Make sure you read about how BEFORE 9/11, aviation managements lobbied against the Security improvements recommended by the GORE Commission ... that might have prevented the terrorist incident.

Make sure you read about how FAR 135 managements ganged up together to fight against 135 Prospective Rest and Duty limitations. http://www.law.emory.edu/1circuit/aug99/99-1888.01a.html

What you should do is check out IBT1108. You just would not believe how great this organization is.

 

[TurboJetCpt]

Check outhttp://www.unionfacts.com to learn about the real Teamsters.

Question for U-Can-Do. How long is your upgrade time at Net Jets? I'm sure you took a huge pay cut to jump ship after 6+ years. I can say you'd be closing in on a CL-300 slot soon. 221 days less your 3 weeks vacation = 206 days per year = a realistic Buck-and-a quarter annually.

Necromonger you're blowin' smoke. 17 day lines are easily available. 15 day lines seem realistic too unless I'm working the PBS wrong and just getting lucky.

Make sure you read http://www.unionfacts.com

What a complete idiot .

You make me....laugh.

 

[Necromonger]

Who's Blowin'?

Check out...to learn about the real Teamsters.

Question for U-Can-Do. How long is your upgrade time at Net Jets? I'm sure you took a huge pay cut to jump ship after 6+ years. I can say you'd be closing in on a CL-300 slot soon. 221 days less your 3 weeks vacation = 206 days per year = a realistic Buck-and-a quarter annually.

Necromonger you're blowin' smoke. 17 day lines are easily available. 15 day lines seem realistic too unless I'm working the PBS...

Ok, Now we’ve had our Moronic Management update.

I may have been letting out some steam, but Blowin’ smoke…no; You guys in the office do plenty of that. I just posted what we can realistically expect from the new bidding rules you guys have implemented. I’ll leave the smoke and mirrors to you.

How about qualifying your Numbers on days worked?
So, you say 206 days a year….(221days – 3weeks of vac.) by saying this, you admit our pay raise was based on 221 days. (Thanks)
U-Can-Do will eventually have those 3 weeks of Vacation (by the way, that’s 21 days on the 7-7), and take that away from 184days a year…..Oh my, that’s 163days worked. Now, Pers-Headbald, were you try’n to make us feel good about that 206 number(after vacation)
:bomb:
Go back to the shed… Waterview is missing some TOOLS.


Should I put forth the Company Cheer?

RA.. RA… RA… FlexJet’s such a Gas!!!
RA… RA… RA… They’re stickin’ it right up my A___!!!

And you say I’m blowin’ SMOKE… Dude, I need some of what you’re smokin’, then maybe I’ll feel good about this screw job too.

 

[pers-headwall]

Take it easy on the humor. I'm bustin' a gut just reading the responses. That http://www.unionfacts.com web sight must have really struck a raw nerve.

By the way, I ain't at the Waterview and I ain't folically challenged,unlike that 6+ year flex captain that is flying F.O. at Net Jets.

I still hear crickets!

 

[gunfyter]

Not impressed with that website at all. NJ management posted the same tired old site.

This is what impresses me...

http://www.law.emory.edu/1circuit/aug99/99-1888.01a.html

50 nonscheduled 135 carriers trying to cheat on 135 prospective rest regulations that a Teamster pilot forced the FAA to enforce.

and...

121 carriers lobbying against security recommendations of the Gore Commission that could have prevented 9/11.

Public Citizen | Congress Watch | Congress Watch - Delay, Dilute and Discard: How the Airline Industry and the FAA ... [URL="http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sch/bn/nw2.gif"]http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sch/bn/nw2.gif[/URL]
... The Gore Commission recommended several measures to improve screening company ... to convert Gore Commission recommendations to regulations. These airlines and the ATA employed 210 ...


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If you are not obeying 135/91k prospective rest... you need a union....

 

[GEXDriver]

http://www.unionfacts.com

Not impressed with that website at all...

This is what impresses me...

50 nonscheduled 135 carriers trying to cheat on 135 prospective rest regulations that a Teamster pilot forced the FAA to enforce.

and...

121 carriers lobbying against security recommendations of the Gore Commission that could have prevented 9/11.

Nice deflection shot gunnie...

The www.unionfacts.com site doesn't impress you, but you can't refute the facts posted there so you respond with some inflammatory press on another subject entirely.

Apparently, OP/ED becomes fact when it serves to direct attention away from the well supported facts on the anti-union website and toward issues guaranteed to strike an emotional response from pilots.

 

[gunfyter]

GEX,

many of the same "Facts" can be attritbuted to Managements.... for example involvement with Crime and Corruption.... Just ask the NY AG who seems to be making a career of lawsuits against corrupt and criminal managements....

Union workers and other workers have been victimized by criminal management and by criminals who infiltrated union leadership positions. Don't blame the victim.

Crime is neither the purpose of management or union leadership....

But you can see by the management attempts to fight 135 rest regulations anfd the ATA attempts to compomise SECURITY improvements.... That Pilots need a powerful Voice... in this equation.

A well run union is the way to get a voice at the table

 

[realityman]

One more time for the slower learners among us: There's corruption EVERYWHERE. In the unions (not just Teamsters)? Yes? in management? Yes. in our schools? Yes. In our government (do you really need an answer to this one?)? Yes. How about in the good old American family? Do spouses cheat on each other? Isn't that corrpution?

So what's my point? Simply that just because some folks are prone to corruption doesn't mean everyone is. So, some individuals in the Teamsters organization are corrupt. Big deal. An honest, transparent, and forthcoming local of the Teamsters got us a nice contract at NJA. Didn't hurt us or cost us anything extra.

Sorry Pers, your argument holds no water. If everyone were to stay away from organizations that have some corruption in them, we'd all go to......uhh.....well, where exactly would we go to? Should we leave the country? Pull our kids out of the corrupt school system? Never try to have a family? What? Put as many links to anti-union websites as you like, it really has no bearing on whether any organization will end up with a union. In fact, the biggest factor in unions forming is how management treats its employees!

Think about that. Think hard. Ask yourself why NJI doesn't have a union but NJA does? How are the folks in each organization treated by management? Do you think if the pilots at NJI were treated like crap that they'd be non-union? Just some tobacco for your pipe.