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[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Originally Posted by GooseHZ
BTwa19

The Unions protection goes only so far and you know it. Some situations warrant termination and sometimes the best outcome is a chance to resign.

Other protections include:
Work rules -details (we already have some)
OT pay -we have this
Day 8 travel - we don't have thus because we don't do 8 day trips
Protected pay for the length of a contract. - Our pay has only gone up
Scope - don't need it, we aren't an airline
Stewards - not sure what this is
Furlough recall rights - we recalled furloughed pilots. Yours drop after 7 years.
Just to name a few. Now what I don't understand is why you would not want these protections?




I love how you state that.
"Day 8 travel - we don't have thus because we don't do 8 day trips"
You know you do not work 8 days, but probably will be soon.

What he should have said from the start was, Last Day Work Rules.

Which is; they can not schedule you for over 14 hrs duty. That includes any trips + travel via airlines or rental. If you are gonna exceed 14 hrs on last day, due to airline delays, etc - you can pull the plug and stop where you are. You get OT pay, and if you get home before 12noon, then you start duty at that time. If you get home after 12noon then you get your first day off.

And I all ready know what you are going to say, so say it in 5,4,3,2,

We can actually go to 16 hours on last day. Anything past 14 has to be travel.

We do get paid hourly overtime over 12 hours and triple past 14. If we won't make it home by 16 hours we can stay and get an OT day.

There is talk of us getting more bases if the crews wanting to move to the new bases are willing to only work 6-8 day trips. Not sure where you heard that we are getting 8 day trips soon. Maybe you need to check with your "inside man" as to where he got that info.

 

[slowtation capt]

We can actually go to 16 hours on last day. Anything past 14 has to be travel.

We do get paid hourly overtime over 12 hours and triple past 14. If we won't make it home by 16 hours we can stay and get an OT day.

There is talk of us getting more bases if the crews wanting to move to the new bases are willing to only work 6-8 day trips. Not sure where you heard that we are getting 8 day trips soon. Maybe you need to check with your "inside man" as to where he got that info.

REALLY!!!!

You say it yourself above, 6-8 day trips,
Right before you say you don't know where I got 8 day trips from.

Wonder if those bases are bases that we negotiated for to have.

 

[Pacific]

I learned enough about the IBT when they decided to represent GoJets, knowing they were an alter ego, whipsaw operation. No thanks! I'm sure you got some good guys at your local, but want nothing to do with the Teamsters.

 

[luckydog]

REALLY!!!!

You say it yourself above, 6-8 day trips,
Right before you say you don't know where I got 8 day trips from.

Wonder if those bases are bases that we negotiated for to have.

Wow, that's some arrogance, but I'm sure if you get a pay increase to the FJ scale you'll give credit where it's due.

And, if it comes to giving anything up to get more bases, don't count on it.

 

[slowtation capt]

Wow, that's some arrogance, but I'm sure if you get a pay increase to the FJ scale you'll give credit where it's due.

And, if it comes to giving anything up to get more bases, don't count on it.

You are absolutely correct. If KR raises us to FJ pay, I will give credit to Bombardier. Because Bombardier was smart enough to provide their pilots the industry standard in lieu of getting a Union. Flops management was so blind to their own over inflated ego's that they didn't realize actually doing something over saying time and time again. "We are aware of the issue and are looking into it" or "We are working on that payscale". They DID everything in the world to ask us to vote for a Union, yet they REALLY thought they were doing everything in the world to get us to not vote for the Union.
However I don't see KR doing anything of that sort anytime soon or out of the goodness of his heart by any means. He's drafted LOA's up before, he can certainly draft and LOA up right this minute and take it over to the IBT and say, "Here ya go, I want to give everyone a raise, effective immediately" But, he won't do that, that's not KR. That's just too bad, he has happy FJ pilots, he certainly could have a LOT of happy Flops pilots for when his single carrier union vote happens. KR wants nothing more than to beat the IBT off his property. He wants to push out his chest, beat it with his fists and claim victory about has much as he wants to be bigger and badder than NetJets.d

 

[slowtation capt]

We can actually go to 16 hours on last day. Anything past 14 has to be travel.

We do get paid hourly overtime over 12 hours and triple past 14. If we won't make it home by 16 hours we can stay and get an OT day.

There is talk of us getting more bases if the crews wanting to move to the new bases are willing to only work 6-8 day trips. Not sure where you heard that we are getting 8 day trips soon. Maybe you need to check with your "inside man" as to where he got that info.

We had that crap of going up to 16 hrs. Absolutely hated it. 15:59 duty days go home=normal. Heck they even tried to schedule 17-19 hr days on people.

I love 14 hrs. Can't schedule over it, and I have every right to stop my day if it is going to go beyond due to delays.
The best part though, is the time recovery. Just because I get home a day late, my family doesn't lose out on their time with me.

 

[Ludicrous Speed]

I learned enough about the IBT when they decided to represent GoJets, knowing they were an alter ego, whipsaw operation. No thanks! I'm sure you got some good guys at your local, but want nothing to do with the Teamsters.

Pacific - Did you work for GoJets?

 

[dime line]

Wow, that's some arrogance, but I'm sure if you get a pay increase to the FJ scale you'll give credit where it's due.

And, if it comes to giving anything up to get more bases, don't count on it.

Credit is due, that is funny. Where did you get your pay raise from?

 

[wingsnthings]

Credit is due, that is funny. Where did you get your pay raise from?

We got our raise from Flexjet. Bombardier owned us, but we were self sufficient. That is a big part of the Bombardier model.

 

[slowtation capt]

those 300s operated in the fo storefront will be flown by fj pilots.

fud!!!

 

[dime line]

We got our raise from Flexjet. Bombardier owned us, but we were self sufficient. That is a big part of the Bombardier model.

So I guess Netjets had nothing to do with it right?

 

[slowtation capt]

We got our raise from Flexjet. Bombardier owned us, but we were self sufficient. That is a big part of the Bombardier model.

I think he meant more of why did Flex give you that raise. Was there something else that happened in the industry sometime very close to before you got your raise. Maybe something over at NetJets.

 

[wingsnthings]

I think he meant more of why did Flex give you that raise. Was there something else that happened in the industry sometime very close to before you got your raise. Maybe something over at NetJets.

I was referring to what you posted earlier. That you would give credit to Bombardier if your pay rates were increased to our pay scale. I'll give Netjets a little credit, but Flexjet did not have to give us a raise. They did, and for that I am grateful.

 

[chief9404]

I was referring to what you posted earlier. That you would give credit to Bombardier if your pay rates were increased to our pay scale. I'll give Netjets a little credit, but Flexjet did not have to give us a raise. They did, and for that I am grateful.

Bombardier must have been a good employer. I feel bad for you guys. I really do.

 

[wingsnthings]

Bombardier must have been a good employer. I feel bad for you guys. I really do.

The sky isn't falling. I know you guys think it will, but I don't see that happening.