First SLI thread of the day

[Smarta$$]

at 8 years at mesaba, I am there as well. I will also mention I never thought the majority of 9E pilots would stay quiet and allow their representation to do what they have done for the last few years. I also must say that same 9E majority has been quiet and had no voice when DOH would be better for them-but then again the staple crap that was proposed shows how they were all willing to screw most of MEsaba and all of Colgan just for their gain.

Can we expect anything this week?

MEM, and MEM pilots are the epicenter of everything that is wrong with this place. There are a few that reside in MSP and DTW, but they are usually transplants or are 10%'ers. It is hard to accomplish anything with so many apathetic pilots that actively work to undermine the union. They have regularly proven they would rather point the gun at the union than at the company.

As far as SLI, those same pilots mentioned above raised hell and made sure the SLI committee went very extreme in our favor. They didn't give much thought to reality or the consequences of their demands, but then again, they are not very smart.

I personally have just wanted simple DOH from the beginning, and can't WAIT for this to be over.

 

[i fly boxes]

Date of hire is fine for this 9er as well let's get on with it already

 

[jynxyjericho]

MEM, and MEM pilots are the epicenter of everything that is wrong with this place. There are a few that reside in MSP and DTW, but they are usually transplants or are 10%'ers. It is hard to accomplish anything with so many apathetic pilots that actively work to undermine the union. They have regularly proven they would rather point the gun at the union than at the company.

As far as SLI, those same pilots mentioned above raised hell and made sure the SLI committee went very extreme in our favor. They didn't give much thought to reality or the consequences of their demands, but then again, they are not very smart.

I personally have just wanted simple DOH from the beginning, and can't WAIT for this to be over.

When you talk about these guys, are these the NMFC and their minions or just a base culture in general?

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

Looks as though some reason and clarity has crept into this thread...I too believe DOH would be best. I think that's the most logical conclusion for Bloch to reach, that he reached it some time ago, and that for whatever reason we will be waiting for some time to see the list. As someone (or several "someones") stated, when we vote new representation we need to send the 9E ******************************bags responsible for all of this packing.

 

[Flyer1015]

Ask your reps for a transcript, and go through it and see what Bloch has to say about DOH. That should answer your question.As for this:

vote new representation we need to send the 9E ******************************bags responsible for all of this packing.

What is --- 9E responsible for all of this ---- suppose to mean? Do you mean the SLI? As I remember, it was XJ getting ticked off at 9E for getting our class date as DOH instead of sim date, while XJ/9L got their class date. And now, they've unilaterally changed the listing position of their pilots without anyone else disputing it. XJ is the reason this SLI has stalled as long as it has, not 9E.bri5150,About the furloughees, I understand where you are coming from, and where XJ is coming from. However, you cannot list them as active pilots, based LGA as FOs on the SF340, when these pilots already show as active pilots on the 9E list flying CRJs in DTW and JFK. You cannot have it both ways. Bloch will see through this. The same name is listed twice as active, in two different bases on two different aircraft. Unless we live in the Matrix, it just isn't possible. As for what should be done about furloughees, I don't know what to tell you, except past precedent in arbitration lists has been to put them at the bottom after others. My guess is it would be active pilots, furloughees, then Summer 2010 DOH onwards. Many XJ pilots had their jobs only for a matter of months before being furloughed. Say, 6 months service in 2008 and laid off. Then started at Pinnacle in Summer 2010 and are here today. I would hardly be able to sign on the fact that they are active LGA FOs hired in 2008. It's a sucky situation, and this MOU will be a make-or-break, depending on what kind of precedent it sets.

 

[bri5150]

Ask your reps for a transcript, and go through it and see what Bloch has to say about DOH. That should answer your question.As for this:What is --- 9E responsible for all of this ---- suppose to mean? Do you mean the SLI? As I remember, it was XJ getting ticked off at 9E for getting our class date as DOH instead of sim date, while XJ/9L got their class date. And now, they've unilaterally changed the listing position of their pilots without anyone else disputing it. XJ is the reason this SLI has stalled as long as it has, not 9E.bri5150,About the furloughees, I understand where you are coming from, and where XJ is coming from. However, you cannot list them as active pilots, based LGA as FOs on the SF340, when these pilots already show as active pilots on the 9E list flying CRJs in DTW and JFK. You cannot have it both ways. Bloch will see through this. The same name is listed twice as active, in two different bases on two different aircraft. Unless we live in the Matrix, it just isn't possible. As for what should be done about furloughees, I don't know what to tell you, except past precedent in arbitration lists has been to put them at the bottom after others. My guess is it would be active pilots, furloughees, then Summer 2010 DOH onwards. Many XJ pilots had their jobs only for a matter of months before being furloughed. Say, 6 months service in 2008 and laid off. Then started at Pinnacle in Summer 2010 and are here today. I would hardly be able to sign on the fact that they are active LGA FOs hired in 2008. It's a sucky situation, and this MOU will be a make-or-break, depending on what kind of precedent it sets.

See through? There is nothing to "see through". Mr. Bloch knows exactly what is going on with these guys and will put them in place where he wants them. It's not like Mesaba is taking the stand that they weren't furloughed on 7/1. They are just saying they aren't furloughed now. How they are listed on our list right now will have no bearing on where they are on the final list if things go as we think they will. If Mr. Bloch doesn't use the "snapshot", then he should have an accurate representation of what their status is, which is recalled and bypassed. They shouldn't be treated any different than the furloughees that decided not to help Pinnacle and just took the recall (which are out of training and active in LGA I think). This MOU thing is uncharted territory, so nobody knows where they should go. You seriously need to get over the semantics of this part because it won't change anything. It's kind of like the lovely grammar argument we've been having.

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

Ask your reps for a transcript, and go through it and see what Bloch has to say about DOH. That should answer your question.As for this:What is --- 9E responsible for all of this ---- suppose to mean? Do you mean the SLI? As I remember, it was XJ getting ticked off at 9E for getting our class date as DOH instead of sim date, while XJ/9L got their class date. And now, they've unilaterally changed the listing position of their pilots without anyone else disputing it. XJ is the reason this SLI has stalled as long as it has, not 9E.bri5150,About the furloughees, I understand where you are coming from, and where XJ is coming from. However, you cannot list them as active pilots, based LGA as FOs on the SF340, when these pilots already show as active pilots on the 9E list flying CRJs in DTW and JFK. You cannot have it both ways. Bloch will see through this. The same name is listed twice as active, in two different bases on two different aircraft. Unless we live in the Matrix, it just isn't possible. As for what should be done about furloughees, I don't know what to tell you, except past precedent in arbitration lists has been to put them at the bottom after others. My guess is it would be active pilots, furloughees, then Summer 2010 DOH onwards. Many XJ pilots had their jobs only for a matter of months before being furloughed. Say, 6 months service in 2008 and laid off. Then started at Pinnacle in Summer 2010 and are here today. I would hardly be able to sign on the fact that they are active LGA FOs hired in 2008. It's a sucky situation, and this MOU will be a make-or-break, depending on what kind of precedent it sets.

No, I wasn't referring to the SLI as I know many on this thread have - I was more specifically referring to the history that seems to show at best, bungling incompetence in the 9E representation and at worst, an intentional "boys club" approach to how things are done in closed door meetings. If I'm wrong that will be proven out once we're all on the same property. If I'm right - well, that'll be proven too I suppose.

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

Upon re-reading your post Flyer, I admit that I was unclear in how I worded "all of this"...point taken. But I stand by the last reply that I made regarding bungling and boys' clubs.

 

[xjhawk]

I am lost as to what we are waiting on here. I hear that it is not Bloch's fault and that it is or was the list that 9E was suppose to give but someone was flying????? SO now we wait. Oh and about the 9E guys saying the delay is Mesaba's fault...... not true, if list is suppose to be correct and it is not, Mesaba has the right to challenge it.

 

[bri5150]

I am lost as to what we are waiting on here. I hear that it is not Bloch's fault and that it is or was the list that 9E was suppose to give but someone was flying????? SO now we wait. Oh and about the 9E guys saying the delay is Mesaba's fault...... not true, if list is suppose to be correct and it is not, Mesaba has the right to challenge it.

His award has been "ready" for two weeks now. This is getting a little dumb.