First Pinnacle CRJ delivered to Mesaba.

[liv'n_on_credit]

But the agreement locks in the remaining 100+ -200s for 10 years

Well, not exactly. According to the ASA, NWA can start taking more CRJ's from Pinnacle if Pinnacle flies more than 20 jets for another carrier, i.e. Delta.

Pinnacle will be flying 16 jets for Delta very soon, and 16 is not far away from 20. After they fly jet #20 for Delta, NWA starts pulling the CRJ's on a one-for-two basis. Meaning they pull one CRJ for every two planes Pinnacle flies for Delta. But...NWA can only pull up to 20 CRJ's for this reason.

 

[koepp]

The highlights of the revised 2006 Pinnacle-NWA airline service agreement (ASA) is outlined in the 2006 annual report (Form 10K). Everything Liv'n on credit just wrote is toward the bottom of page 7. NWA can only pull 20 airplanes total and no more than 5 in any 12-month period.

 

[norskman2]

The highlights of the revised 2006 Pinnacle-NWA airline service agreement (ASA) is outlined in the 2006 annual report (Form 10K). Everything Liv'n on credit just wrote is toward the bottom of page 7. NWA can only pull 20 airplanes total and no more than 5 in any 12-month period.

Interesting, because I believe I read a statement from PCL somewhere that the first 16 -900s for DAL will not be profitable until they get 20 or more.

 

[WildBlue]

After watching this airplane merry-go-round between Mesaba and Pinnacle, nee Express I, it doesn't make a hill of beans difference where these planes start or end. In five years, when Mesaba is negotiating their contract, half their RJs and 900s could end up at Pinnacle. It is a management shell game that is brought up from time to time by pilots to simply start an arguement.

The Mesaba and Pinnacle pilots are mutual victims of a management group that literally hates its own employees. And, by the way, the feeling is mutual. If PT were on fire, I would not relax the bladder sphincter to help put him out.

 

[MACH-TUCK]

Deleted.....Its a dead horse

 

[CrownandCoke]

The Mesaba and Pinnacle pilots are mutual victims of a management group that literally hates its own employees. And, by the way, the feeling is mutual. If PT were on fire, I would not relax the bladder sphincter to help put him out.

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[xjcaptain]

I just hope the MX on these is better than that on the Saabs (360 series) that we got from 9E. Total junk, and months of down time.

 

[DoinTime]

I just hope the MX on these is better than that on the Saabs (360 series) that we got from 9E. Total junk, and months of down time.

These aren't 20+ year old Saabs your getting here. None of these CRJ's are even close to their first heavy check.

 

[saabservant]

by the way, any idea if a mediator's release is in the picture? Or will you guys have to wait for a new administration? (hint to all you right-wingers and republicans...)

You may love the bushies, but they love you too-chained to your aircraft and your old contract!

 

[xjcaptain]

These aren't 20+ year old Saabs your getting here. None of these CRJ's are even close to their first heavy check.

Neither were those. When we got them they were about 10 - 11 years old. Apparently 9E did the absolute minimum MX required by FARs. They did absolutely none of the "recommended" mx that Saab would prefer to have done. Nearly each one we received spent nearly a month fixing the obvious (and I mean VERY obvious) defects. It took the next year or two to fix the thousands of other things that kept coming up with these aircraft. Just a totally different corporate culture regarding mx and safety. I hope I am wrong about the 200's, but past history with 9E when it comes to safety and mx would show something different.

 

[Rook]

Neither were those. When we got them they were about 10 - 11 years old. Apparently 9E did the absolute minimum MX required by FARs. They did absolutely none of the "recommended" mx that Saab would prefer to have done. Nearly each one we received spent nearly a month fixing the obvious (and I mean VERY obvious) defects. It took the next year or two to fix the thousands of other things that kept coming up with these aircraft. Just a totally different corporate culture regarding mx and safety. I hope I am wrong about the 200's, but past history with 9E when it comes to safety and mx would show something different.

Why do you have such a hard-on for 9E?

 

[SEVEN]

Why do you have such a hard-on for 9E?

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20050317X00323&key=1

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20041015X01633&ntsbno=DCA05MA003&akey=1

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20070501X00494&key=1

 

[xjcaptain]

Why do you have such a hard-on for 9E?

Personal experience on a flight I was on, as well as having a relative killed on one of their flights. Simple enough?

 

[Rook]

Personal experience on a flight I was on, as well as having a relative killed on one of their flights. Simple enough?

Did you bring your personal experience to the crew's attention? And if your relative was killed in Hibbing, that's unfortunate. All the U.S. majors (pax) have had fatal accidents attributed to pilot error. Do you have as much resentment for them as well?

 

[Doug Parker]

All the U.S. majors (pax) have had fatal accidents attributed to pilot error. Do you have as much resentment for them as well?

Correction -

America West never killed any pax.

Southwest never killed any pax (barring the dude that was suffocated by fellow pax).



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