Fexjet Announcement

[cosmotheassman]

Or Flexjet, whichever you prefer.

Well it seems there will be no announcement Monday per D.G. Anyone else hear the lovely news that because of the flight attendants pay being unable to be resolved, there will be no crew pay info at the meeting. How many pi$$ed off crew members are there now? including myself.

 

[miles otoole]

Or Flexjet, whichever you prefer.

Well it seems there will be no announcement Monday per D.G. Anyone else hear the lovely news that because of the flight attendants pay being unable to be resolved, there will be no crew pay info at the meeting. How many pi$$ed off crew members are there now? including myself.

It sounds as though this info is proprietary (regarding the F/A)s? Hmmmmm.......

 

[twincessna]

We don't have that many FAs. So what is the big hold up. We have ZERO in the Lear fleet, so post that.

 

[Peter_Griffin]

No offense Cosmo, but I glad you are finally starting to get pi$$ed off. This is just more of the same old same old the company has been doing for years and the longer we wait to unionize, the longer these issues will take to resolve.

The excuse about the FA pay is bogus becuase:

1) there won't be any pay raises for anyone so how much more time do you need to say ZERO
2) they are making every excuse they can as they wait to see if union cards are really gonna be mailed out again -- Either no cards equals no action or cards equal no action so they can wait for 3 years of collective bargaining to sort it out. I haven't figured out which guess is more accurate.
3) DG is just an a-hole. Period. And no matter how much RH or anyone else wants to do for us, as longs as DG remains, we are never gonna get close to what we deserve. His attitude is that pilots are a dime a dozen and highly replacable. When you are willing to hire 500 hour FIs, that's true and that might be what it comes down to...

Did you really expect anything different my friend? In October we were all notified as to what the NJA TA would be. We were then promised action was forthcoming. Then we were told it would take a little longer. Then we were told it would take a little longer. Then we were told it would take a little longer. Now we are being told it will take a little longer. And what do you think we will be told when the next promised date gets close -- aahhhhh you guessed it boy -- you're catching on.

It's precisely that lack of respect and transparency that is getting people pissed off enough to leave and/or unionize. I'll be honest I am having a tough time deciding what to do. I like the people, some of the management included. I like the equipment and think that while there is big room for improvement, our QOL issues are very resolvable. Do I jump ship or wait it out for a union vote and contract? I think a lot of people are on that fence.

 

[cosmotheassman]

No offense taken at all. I've never worked at a company that missed so many "promised" deadlines. I'm open to anything at this point because D.G.'s excuse for next weeks meeting is absolutely pathetic and sent me over the fence. I feel I've been open-minded and patient and for what? postponement? BS. I bet you there will be ALOT of friction from here on out from everyone.

 

[Necromonger]

Friction....YES.

Delivering on the BROKEN Flexjet promise. Again...and again...and...

Here we go.

CALL TO DISPATCH: "Yeah I need to talk to maintenance"

MX CONTROL: " Well I think this tire seems alittle low on tread, I need it checked....sorry I can't do the trip until it gets checked...Oh and the brakes too...this O2 seems alittle out of limits...The TR's seem to be deploying asymetrically....and for that matter so do the spoilers...yeah the light flashed for a second or 2, lets be safe and get it checked."

FO's need to press that CAPT. to make sure these planes are in tip top shape for any flight.

sup.

 

[TurboJetCpt]

Or Flexjet, whichever you prefer.

Well it seems there will be no announcement Monday per D.G. Anyone else hear the lovely news that because of the flight attendants pay being unable to be resolved, there will be no crew pay info at the meeting. How many pi$$ed off crew members are there now? including myself.

So you finally found your ballsack ! Maybe now you won't be so overlay anti-union.

 

[cosmotheassman]

I'm not so much anti-union as I'll just look for a job elsewhere. I'm not one to stick around if I don't like it.

 

[gipper6]

Executive Expense Account - classified

Executvie Salary - classified

Paying thousands of dollars to a consulting firm to retain pilots and not pay them what they are worth - priceless

Got screwed again fellas.
Merry Christmas and make it a great week.
I'm so out of here.

 

[gipper6]

Oh, and by the way, did anyone really believe FlexJet would raise the bar for us? This is called sodomy and we are on the recieving end. I at least thought they could come up with a better excuse that friggin FA pay. I'm so mad I can't stand it. Show some solidarity guys - it time to nut up.

 

[RNObased]

Oh, and by the way, did anyone really believe FlexJet would raise the bar for us? This is called sodomy and we are on the recieving end. I at least thought they could come up with a better excuse that friggin FA pay. I'm so mad I can't stand it. Show some solidarity guys - it time to nut up.

Like Necro said........... Ground their jets and they will get the message.
What you guys at flex fail to realize is that you gave mangement all the power. When you choose to take the power back from them, then you will get somewhere, until that time, all you are going hear is excuses. They have a whole pile of those....

 

[twincessna]

I always said I would never be at a company that had a union. I now think one should never say never....

 

[gunfyter]

I always said I would never be at a company that had a union. I now think one should never say never....

We know that good contracts build strong communities. When we win a battle - like the 11-week strike against Pepsi at Local 792 - it benefits not just the members who walked the picket line, but their neighbors and community.

It also benefits our children and our grandchildren. We are teaching our children that standing up for what is right is necessary. In fact, it is our duty as citizens to fight for dignity and respect.


There are many people who balk at the fight. They hide and place their confidence in the hands of employers. Management preys on this weakness by distributing promises like candy during organizing drives and quickly reneging if the workers lose the election. But management must be held accountable. As Teamsters we stand up and tackle the challenges that imperil working families.

--James P Hoffa--



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Buy and Read: Confessions of a Union Buster

Pilots crack me up. Too good to consider themselves labor. You are better than a trucker, a mechanic, a hotel worker....

Really? Management doesn't think so. If you want to know how management feels about you ... LOOK AT YOUR PAYCHECK.

 

[Grizz]

Excellent post GF.

 

[Diesel]

actually i do consider myself better than a trucker, mechanic or hotel worker. I got a CDL by paying the right amount on my check and having that clear. A mechanic can be trained by little or no expense. And a hotel worker... well it's a hotel worker.

I am a professional who needs union representation to make sure that one voice is heard from the pilot group. I have a skill, that has taken years to hone and make sure that i am at the top of my game. Is a doctor considered elitest when they decide to put MD by there name? No they are the same Type A personalities that we are. Except they know their self worth. They aren't doing it for the love of the job.

 

[gunfyter]

Diesel

How you look at yourself as a pilot is one thing. How Airline managements look at us is another.

 

[Diesel]

Gunfyter-

Very very true.

What are you doing up so late?

D

 

[gunfyter]

I had the 2200 to 0230 sim slot last week and I can't get back to normal....

 

[EdAtTheAirport]

No offense taken at all. I've never worked at a company that missed so many "promised" deadlines. I'm open to anything at this point because D.G.'s excuse for next weeks meeting is absolutely pathetic and sent me over the fence. I feel I've been open-minded and patient and for what? postponement? BS. I bet you there will be ALOT of friction from here on out from everyone.

Hey Cosmo I have a question: When were you hired at LXJ? Didn't you write in a thread earlier this year that you just got hired? Sorry if I have you confused with someone else.

 

[Falcon4.0]

Please advise

To: Cosmo, Necro, or Whomever....
I am considering applying to FlexJet. From what I am reading it sounds like you folks are in the midst of a union fight( I am SO perceptive...lol) Anyway, would someone please PM me and give me some of the skinny as far as the overall situation and if Flex is a good company that needs tweaking or another company that bones its employees and just doesn't care. Having been part of a recent union fight I am aware of the rhetoric so please "just the facts"if I may be so bold. Thanx in advance for your candor....

 

[Stealthh21]

Hey there all. I am not here to make anyone mad or defensive. But I talk to FLEX pilots all the time, and they seem happy. Is the QOL really that bad? What is going on over there?

 

[CL300Pilot]

Life at Flex

It seems that since the NJA T/A, some here are ticked because we are not the highest paid any more. Personally, I enjoy it here. Prior to my coming here, the biggest complaint was the bidding system and being gone 6 days at a time with only 3 or 4 days off. Now, if you have to make a cross wind landing, people bi#$h.

 

[Peter_Griffin]

It seems that since the NJA T/A, some here are ticked because we are not the highest paid any more. Personally, I enjoy it here. Prior to my coming here, the biggest complaint was the bidding system and being gone 6 days at a time with only 3 or 4 days off. Now, if you have to make a cross wind landing, people bi#$h.

You're clueless -- I am gonna guess (based on your clueslessness) that you have been with the company for less than 6 months, so I'll cut you some slack.

The QOL issues, many more of them than the 6/3 you eluded to, have been hashed about for years, not just since the NJA TA.

I'll grant you that true, one of the newer issues is regarding pay. But what you may not have been around for is the fact that we have been continously promised we would always be the best compensated in the industry, so there wasn't much to complain about. Now that NJA has raised the bar it would appear they are backing off that promise, so that's what people are really ticked about.

How about the fact we work 14 hour days on a regular basis and 40 more work days per year than any other frac? How bout the fact we are getting it up the back end in a big way on medical and benies next year. The company is saving boatloads of money on our plan next year and are doing so to the detriment of many families. My 8 year old could have negotiated a better deal than we are getting if they would simply have been willing to keep their expenditures equal to what they paid out this year versus cutting them.

You also fail to mention we are the only frac not paid overtime for holidays and get no hotel or per diem during training if you are DFW based like most of the company is. You also fail to mention that while RH himself is a pretty decent guy, most of management (especially DG) have pretty lowly opinion of the pilot group, even though we are the backbone of the business.

You also fail to mention that the other backbone -- the sales force -- has been screwed too and this has led to a slowdown in the exponential growth we saw before. And look at the numbers -- it wasn't 9/11 -- this slowdown directly coincides with their cutthroat tactics with the sales force, not 9/11. Now we have copier slaesman trying to sell aircraft shares -- we lost some great people in sales.

Do you even want to get me started on upgrades?

All that said, with a Union in place I think Flex could be the best of the best out there. But until then, I'm not sure I would want to keep hanging my hat there.

 

[CL300Pilot]

You're clueless -- I am gonna guess (based on your clueslessness) that you have been with the company for less than 6 months, so I'll cut you some slack.

Mr. Griffen,

While I do not know what has been going on in the past, it is some what shocking to me that when I was looking to come to work for Flex, any pilots that I talked to on all 4 aircraft, all I heard complaint wise was that the PBS sucked and that being gone for 6 days sucked as well. It just seems to me, and again this is just my opinion, that most of what you stated above has come since the TA. I have been rather proactive on this board as far as researching other flex comments and so forth and have not heard any of what you stated above. Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying that you are not telling the truth or any thing along that line. It just seem to me that since the TA, that has all changed. When I talk to other pilots on the road, I do not hear what you are saying. Why is that? Again, why was this not said here or when talking to other pilots on the road before the TA? As far as a union goes, it seem to me that the company has always, from what I hear, taking care of the pilots. Has that changed since the TA as well? I do hope that you realize that I am not trying to start a piss#ng contest with you, just trying to be a better informed line pilot as to what changed.

 

[cosmotheassman]

From what I gather, the issues he talks about have been on the table for quite some time.

 

[Flyingdog1]

You also fail to mention that the other backbone -- the sales force -- has been screwed too and this has led to a slowdown in the exponential growth we saw before. And look at the numbers -- it wasn't 9/11 -- this slowdown directly coincides with their cutthroat tactics with the sales force, not 9/11. Now we have copier slaesman trying to sell aircraft shares -- we lost some great people in sales. --


I have to call BS on this one. The sales force just prior to BK coming in sucked.
But, it looks like new team is doing a great job.

 

[CL300Pilot]

From what I gather, the issues he talks about have been on the table for quite some time.

Cosmo,

You gather correctly. I am only stating that I do not remember reading anything about it here prior to the passing of the TA. That is mainly my question to Mr. Griffin. By the way Mr. G., sorry for the misspell of you last name above.

 

[Peter_Griffin]

To CL300 -- I'm not lookingfor a pi$$ing contest either, but if you want to find evidence of what I am saying just look to BB or CAB notes for evidence of what I am saying. I think the TA is what started people being more vocal about their disatisfaction, especially publicly (like on this board) but the issues have been around. True the last union vote failed, but you gotta think what kind of problems were we having to spark a vote at all. This is nothing new for flex, just more intense then it has ever been.

To Flyingdog1 -- The current sales force is doing a decent job right now and they are getting better. But there was a huge lag time to get to this point. Not to get all SG on you (inside joke), but the math speaks for itself as to my correlation with sales number declines being about the renegotiated/forced commision structure not 9/11. So I don't think you can call BS, but I'd be more than happy (truly) for you to prove me wrong -- I wish I was. Unfortunatly the company has a way of spinning tragedy in the case of 9/11 or hot button issues like rising health care costs as to we are getting it up the back end when sometimes it's just mismanagment plain and simple.

To Cosmo -- glad to see you coming around dude. The movie not be as good on our side, but at least it is broadcast in crystal clear HDTV, versus the blue smoky screen youwere watching just a short while ago.

 

[miles otoole]

To CL300 -- I'm not lookingfor a pi$$ing contest either, but if you want to find evidence of what I am saying just look to BB or CAB notes for evidence of what I am saying. I think the TA is what started people being more vocal about their disatisfaction, especially publicly (like on this board) but the issues have been around. True the last union vote failed, but you gotta think what kind of problems were we having to spark a vote at all. This is nothing new for flex, just more intense then it has ever been.

To Flyingdog1 -- The current sales force is doing a decent job right now and they are getting better. But there was a huge lag time to get to this point. Not to get all SG on you (inside joke), but the math speaks for itself as to my correlation with sales number declines being about the renegotiated/forced commision structure not 9/11. So I don't think you can call BS, but I'd be more than happy (truly) for you to prove me wrong -- I wish I was. Unfortunatly the company has a way of spinning tragedy in the case of 9/11 or hot button issues like rising health care costs as to we are getting it up the back end when sometimes it's just mismanagment plain and simple.

To Cosmo -- glad to see you coming around dude. The movie not be as good on our side, but at least it is broadcast in crystal clear HDTV, versus the blue smoky screen youwere watching just a short while ago.

Is this in English? I read it 3 times and still had no idea what you were trying to say.