Feudin at USSAPy

[C Festerpuss]

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[BUDDHA145]

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Oh men!! You know it was going to be an 4 to 6 pager!!

 

[C Festerpuss]

Fuedin at USAPPY

Yall, i is sorry that i had to scrub that there post above but this is so danged mangled I cant quite cipher it all out. I had to go asks my couzin Carl Childers what wuz happening.

It's like this here....
The union BPR done fired Lee Seham cause they say he was a doing bad things and taking too much money. The exeative vice President Gary Hummel then done give a report of what has transpired since then.

Someone done punked an email that is supposed to be from Seham lawyer Nick Grannath to the others in the Seham law firm that sez that Lee has done gone and climbed into a whiskey bottle, and is worried bout loosing his law license cause he is gonna get caught for overbilling etc.

There waz two emails that went around the Seham firm and the BPR. Only problem is that was punked, that means that Nick Grannath didn't write em. lee Seham doen filed a Jane and John Doe law suit in NY to find out who done wrote them emails and sent em all around. It turns out that them emails done come from Theresa Murphy a former USAPA lawyer who used to work for Lee Seham.

This lady is now living with USAPA Vice President Randy Mowrey and in Florida and that is where the emails are traced to. She left the firm over 6 months ago.

It's a gettin better..... Lee Seham done wrote to some other lawyer that is doing this audit and he sez...

Randy Mowrey send him an email on Dec 15, 2010 that said the treatment of Thresa Murphy by the Seham firm "blurs the distinction between our personal and professional lives."

Randy Mowrey in June of 2011 stated to two Seham lawyers that unless the firm changed its treatment of Theresa Murphy he would destroy the firm.

In a telephone conference in June Randy Mowrey stated that despite a productive relationship the Union lawyer relationship would be terminated unless the firm altered its treatment of Ms Murphy.

In august at a BPr meeting Randy Mowrey read aloud internal Seham Firm memo's and other work product that originated inside the Seham Firm between Nick Grannath and Lee Seham but declined to say how he came by these documents.

In September the punked emails described above were sent.


Cuzin Carl sez....I don't knows much bout this here civil law stuff. I read about but don't know much about it UMMMMM. at the Preacher Festus Brewster School of law and Transmission Repair we mostly delt with "whose yer daddy", child support and how to gets disability an such...

They oughts to settle it likes they does down here. Ya jes shoots the guy and that settles it. UMMMMMM!.

 

[CapnVegetto]

WTF? Was this post written by a 12 year old girl?

 

[Abernathy]

WTF? Was this post written by a 12 year old girl?

No he was trying to write in character but didn't realize that no one wants to read 12 paragraphs of that sh**.

Looks interesting though.

 

[Dornier 335]

WTF? Was this post written by a 12 year old girl?

I don't really care how it was written, but the content is very interesting. Pilots should remember this cr@p next time we are asked to vote! Thanks for revealing some dirt, Fester!

 

[TWA Dude]

I can summarize it more succinctly:

The scumbag lawyer who told the scumbag USAPA founders that binding arbitration could be avoided by changing unions was fired by the scumbag USAPA president. They all deserve each other.

 

[Carl S.]

Karma is a b*tch for USAPA!!!!

 

[doh]

And still no rulings on the various motions, lawsuits and grievances...

 

[vetrider]

At least the scumbags are aiming at each other here.

 

[Dornier 335]

caution: law question!

And still no rulings on the various motions, lawsuits and grievances...

I still keep hearing different rumors that a ruling on LOA 93 has been made. If it has, how come they are able to suppress it?

 

[xrated]

I still keep hearing different rumors that a ruling on LOA 93 has been made. If it has, how come they are able to suppress it?

Because you're wrong and it hasn't been made.

 

[BeCareful!]

C Festerpuss,

An eloquent recount of one side of the story, thanks. That was the McCoy's side, and the Hatfields have another whopper of a tale to tell. (While everyone is buying it for now, I'll betcha the McCoy's side looks pretty stupid and meaningless in a matter of weeks. Still, they accomplish their mission, which is to muddy the waters. They're simple folk...you know the type, I'm sure.)

BC

 

[Guppiedriver]

C Festerpuss,

An eloquent recount of one side of the story, thanks. That was the McCoy's side, and the Hatfields have another whopper of a tale to tell. (While everyone is buying it for now, I'll betcha the McCoy's side looks pretty stupid and meaningless in a matter of weeks. Still, they accomplish their mission, which is to muddy the waters. They're simple folk...you know the type, I'm sure.)

BC

Your little Hatfield vs. the McCoy's feud out in CLT would be funny if it wasn't so harmful to the entire pilot group.

Since you're here, what do you think about Cleary's letter?

Fellow Pilots,
We all recognize that our pilot group has so far been unable to bridge our internal differences regarding the best way to address our collective seniority concerns. Seniority is perhaps the most important issue facing our Union. Not a day goes by that we have not been focused on seeking a just resolution of that issue. I have spoken with many of you about this problem looking for collaborative solutions and believe that it is time for us to think outside the box to resolve the crisis that prevents us as a union from working together to achieve our primary goal -- an industry standard contract. We must find a way for us all to come to an agreement on a single integrated seniority list. I recognize that this is the "electric third rail" at USAPA, but I am prepared to embrace it because I know that tackling this festering, longstanding, and seemingly impossible problem head-on is the only way for us -- all of us -- to move forward.
Every pilot knows that it is our collective failure to find a resolution to this issue that prevents us from moving forward. (While, as we have stated many times, the Company is absolutely free to sign a joint contract at any time, the Company uses the lack of an agreed-upon seniority system as a convenient excuse to delay negotiations.) We cannot be effective unless we are able to work together. No one can realistically believe that we can either reach agreement with the Company on a new contract or persuade the NMB to give us a release unless we find a solution to the seniority issue that has the general support of all our pilots.
There is no magic solution. We cannot sit waiting for some prophet to appear and hand us the answer. Six years have passed since the merger was announced and there has been no resolution.
Likewise, litigation is not the answer. Collectively we have spent too much on legal battles that have taken years without finding any answer. The Declaratory Judgment action may or may not decide either that USAPA has the authority to negotiate something other than the Nicolau Award or not. But even if there is a decision, and even if it comes sooner rather than later, neither alternative will solve the problem. If USAPA prevails, the West pilots will not magically drop their opposition to a DOH-based list. If the West pilots prevail, the East pilots will not magically embrace an award that puts probationary West pilots ahead of East pilots with 16 years of service. We will still need a contract and that contract will still need to be ratified. And no one can realistically believe that ratification is possible unless we agree -- together -- on an integrated seniority list with appropriate restrictions and conditions.
For these reasons, I have proposed to the Board of Pilot Representatives, and the BPR (with the Phoenix Representatives recusing themselves) has agreed, to direct our legal representatives in the Phoenix Declaratory Judgment to ask the Court to urge the parties -- the West Pilots and USAPA -- to enter into a process of mediation aimed at producing a mutually agreeable integrated seniority list. This process would not impose a solution. It would be a voluntary process where parties would mutually agree upon a nationally recognized mediator and any result of the mediation would require the independent approval of both parties. In other words, the mediation could only conclude successfully if both the West pilots and USAPA (representing those pilots not in the "class", i.e., the East pilots) agreed to the mediator's suggested solution. In the event the process did not create a mutually agreed solution, both sides could still avail themselves of the available legal process.
This is a serious proposal. It is not window dressing. Nor should it be taken as a sign that USAPA has any less conviction that the Court will decide that seniority is a mandatory subject of negotiations. Quite the contrary, we are confident of the eventual legal outcome, however we also understand just how long that process may take, and I don't believe any of us can afford to wait for a legal decision that, even if it comes, will not solve our problem.
I believe this process provides the best vehicle for finding an answer. We must find a solution that will permit the majority of all of our pilots, East and West alike, to move forward with a mutually satisfactory seniority solution behind us. Once that has been achieved, we will be able to work together to deal with the true impediment to all of our career expectations: US Airways management that has for so long been indifferent to the needs of our pilot group and would no longer be able to capitalize on the internal issue that has handicapped us all for far too long. The people of Northern Ireland managed to put years of bitter fighting aside and find a solution to a long and violent dispute. I believe that if they can do it, there is something in each of us and all of us that allows us to put aside these years of differences and work together for the good of all. Let's check the intransigent rhetoric at the door; let's go secure our collective future. I urge all pilots - East and West - to support this process and indicate to their Representatives that they do so as well.

 

[Taco Rocket]

I heard they hired Hoffa's lawyers now. How long until you guys are Teamsters?

 

[Guppiedriver]

I heard they hired Hoffa's lawyers now. How long until you guys are Teamsters?

Teamsters won't touch uSAPa with a 10' pole.

 

[LaGarbage Man]

Teamsters won't touch uSAPa with a 10' pole.

They all ready have a presentation with the IBT planned and the pilots have been submitting questions to be asked of them. Never say Never, It might happen sooner than you think. Not really sure what I think about going with them but my spider sense is telling me that some sort of change is in the wind.

 

[Guppiedriver]

They all ready have a presentation with the IBT planned and the pilots have been submitting questions to be asked of them. Never say Never, It might happen sooner than you think. Not really sure what I think about going with them but my spider sense is telling me that some sort of change is in the wind.

The Teamsters will have to decide if they want to align themselves with a nearly bankrupt association. Also, that alliance may expose the Teamsters to millions in liability from uSAPa's continued violation of their duty to fairly represent 1/3 of their membership.

It could happen, but I doubt that it's immanent.

 

[Taco Rocket]

The Teamsters will have to decide if they want to align themselves with a nearly bankrupt association. Also, that alliance may expose the Teamsters to millions in liability from uSAPa's continued violation of their duty to fairly represent 1/3 of their membership.

It could happen, but I doubt that it's immanent.

Not an alliance: it's more of USAPA going bye bye and the Teamsters replacing them.

Bankrupt association gone via internet vote.

 

[Tweaker]

I still keep hearing different rumors that a ruling on LOA 93 has been made. If it has, how come they are able to suppress it?

As a statist, you should know that it is a crime to divulge such knowledge and the state will come down on whomever does this like a ton of bricks.

 

[Tweaker]

This is really getting ugly. I just want to wake up and it is all over. I would need Rumplestiltskin grade Nyquil though, I fear.

The only thing that keeps me optimistic is the high quality of the individuals I meet and work with on the line, as well as the volunteers of USAPA (agree with the seniority issue or not) and the fact that this pilot group's ennui will be completely unlike it is now in 10+ years.

Management, however continues to fail to convince me that they have even a capability of being professional, competent or even operate within commonly accepted moral boundaries. They have been and they will endlessly continue to take us to the woodshed and run prison rape trains on us all until this Owebama level fail boat finally runs aground and all options but cooperation have been eliminated.

Back to my regularly scheduled home brew stupor.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Can't wait for the Pickleballers to be decertified.

 

[Guppiedriver]

Not an alliance: it's more of USAPA going bye bye and the Teamsters replacing them.

I know that some of the easties can be pretty thick, but voting in the Teamsters? :smash:

After losing LOA93 and the DJ, I can see.... Westies + 3rd listers + moderate easties = ALPA.

 

[Tweaker]

As America West very nearly decertified ALPO in the not so distant past, and I have yet to meet more than 1 pro ALPO East infection I have to suggest that your prognostication is less accurate than a decade of 1970's "scientists" and their endless clamoring that "global cooling" is an imminent problem.

 

[TWA Dude]

As America West very nearly decertified ALPO in the not so distant past,...

Are you bucking for the Comm Chairman position? Your Goebels-like spin would make Theuer proud. The decert campaign failed to gather enough cards to get an election.

 

[Guppiedriver]

As America West very nearly decertified ALPO in the not so distant past, and I have yet to meet more than 1 pro ALPO East infection

OK, if you say so. LOL

 

[Tweaker]

Don't confuse me for someone who is invested in either party in this feces flinging contest. If you would like me to restate it more accurately, I feel that there is very little support for ALPO among the West pilots (my impression) and next to none among the East (that is pretty much indisputable).

 

[Guppiedriver]

Don't confuse me for someone who is invested in either party in this feces flinging contest. If you would like me to restate it more accurately, I feel that there is very little support for ALPO among the West pilots (my impression) and next to none among the East (that is pretty much indisputable).

If given the choice of uSAPa vs. uSAPa within the IBT vs. ALPA, I'd venture to bet that 90% of west pilots will vote for ALPA.

The east hard liners are always going to blame ALPA for their woe's and therefore are a lost cause.

The moderate easties (voted for ALPA vs. uSAPa) and the third listers are the pilots that have the ability to fix this train wreck. With a loss of LOA 93 and the DJ, along with Cleary's failed attempt to coerce the west into another round of mediation, means more votes for ALPA.

Don't get me wrong, ALPA sucks, but they are the best choice we have.

 

[Bringupthebird]

If IBT is put to a vote, it will be competing with at least ALPA and another in-house union. The results will likely be no one getting a majority of the votes and the airline becoming non-union for a time. During which the Transition Agreement will be thrown in the shredder and the company will assign a seniority list of it's choosing and use LOA93 for both sides. Who thinks that the company would pass on such an opportunity to move the chains down the field?

You USAPA supporters just never got the hang of thinking things through, did you? Let the adults run the union from now on.

 

[PHXFLYR]

This is really getting ugly. I just want to wake up and it is all over. I would need Rumplestiltskin grade Nyquil though, I fear.

The only thing that keeps me optimistic is the high quality of the individuals I meet and work with on the line, as well as the volunteers of USAPA (agree with the seniority issue or not) and the fact that this pilot group's ennui will be completely unlike it is now in 10+ years.

Management, however continues to fail to convince me that they have even a capability of being professional, competent or even operate within commonly accepted moral boundaries. They have been and they will endlessly continue to take us to the woodshed and run prison rape trains on us all until this Owebama level fail boat finally runs aground and all options but cooperation have been eliminated.

Back to my regularly scheduled home brew stupor.

Wow. Sure didn't take long to get hooked on the kool aid there, did it ?

PHXFLYR