Feudin at USSAPy

[PHXFLYR]

Without a settled seniority dispute or LOA 93 in the pilots favor, I don't think it will change things one iota of a cracker. I do think it is a good thing down the road tho.

Youre kidding, right ? You really think there's a snowballs chance in he!! of this getting resolved in the pilots favor ?

PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

Don't confuse me for someone who is invested in either party in this feces flinging contest. If you would like me to restate it more accurately, I feel that there is very little support for ALPO among the West pilots (my impression) and next to none among the East (that is pretty much indisputable).

Well isn't that politically convient, playing both end towards the middle. Seem's to remind me of the old saying about the person that refuses to stand up for something and how they will eventually fall for anything.

PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

Cleary's got a few third listers mowing his lawn, taking out the trash, washing his car, giving him manicures etc etc

Not all of them,though. There are more than a few, though who know what the score is. It will be up to them to determine what course this pilot group will take going forward. Glad I don't have much time left.

PHXFLYR

 

[St. Nic]

I'm so tired of your drivel PHX. Give it a rest- you guys are the ones that screwed the pooch and left this mess for USAPA to clean up. It should be over soon with another desert judge smack down at the 9th! USAPA is free to negotiate whatever they want!

 

[FDJ2]

Despite the usual pontifications and nonsense on this forum, what are real world implications of US Air going Teamsters? Does it matter?

JMHO, but no, it won't matter if the leadership stays the same. What's needed is real leadership. The east blames ALPA for all their woes, when in reality it was working for a bankrupt carrier that lead to the concessions and pandering leadership which put their membership at risk during the SLI. After painting themselves in a corner and making themselves irrelevant during the the SLI, a group of pilots who thought being loud and angry was better than being effective sold the pilots the USAPA snake oil. Just vote in this new union and all your problems go away, we'll just double down on a failed strategy.

There's a time for union leaders to stand up for their members, but there is also a time for union leaders to stand up to their members and tell them that pursuing a strategy that feels good hasn't worked, and won't work in the future. The only road forward, besides hoping for fragmentation, is to implement the Nicolau award and start acting like a real union, focused on your common interests.

 

[FDJ2]

Without a settled seniority dispute or LOA 93 in the pilots favor, I don't think it will change things one iota of a cracker. I do think it is a good thing down the road tho.

The seniority dispute was settled in arbitration, end of story, or at least it should have been. Unfortunately the mob took over the courthouse. Until the majority of LCC pilots support a real union, not a mob, there is no way out other than fragmentation or an acquisition and having another pilot group settle the issue for them.

 

[Fubijaakr]

The seniority dispute was settled in arbitration, end of story, or at least it should have been..

While I'm a proponent of DoH in SLIs, BOTH SIDES in this bloody mess agreed to binding arbitration. When it didn't go their way, the Easties packed up their ball and went home.

How many years is this horror show ging to drag on?

 

[PHXFLYR]

I'm so tired of your drivel PHX. Give it a rest- you guys are the ones that screwed the pooch and left this mess for USAPA to clean up. It should be over soon with another desert judge smack down at the 9th! USAPA is free to negotiate whatever they want!

Whats the matter, loser ? Slow day over at USAviation.com ?

PHXFLYR

 

[vetrider]

Usapa sucks.

 

[shon7]

How many years is this horror show ging to drag on?

Curious how growth is handled at the company. Where will the new aircraft go. To whichever side has the cheaper rates or is there any other "negotiation."

Cant really see how this mess will be resolved - if at all. The issue of a merger keeps coming up but what would make another company think that this scenario would not play up again -with another merger.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Growth really isn't an issue because it's pretty much non-existent. Maybe a handful of new flights are announced each year, the most recent CLT- Rome Italy flown by the east guys . Management strikes me as being very risk adverse with regards to route development. However, with that said , they recently announced service in 2 new markets LGA-PHX non stop weekend service only and SLC-CLT . The east pilots will be flying the weekend flights , west pilots the new SLC service. If past experience is any indication , they will operate these new domestic flights for a while and then drop them.

PHXFLYR

 

[Dornier 335]

Usapa sucks.

Blame the game or the players?

 

[Carl S.]

Blame the player!!!! You just can not fix dumb and this is who we are chained up with, enjoy LOA 93 till you are ready to man up and move on.

 

[Guppiedriver]

Blame the game or the players?

The Usapians suck too.

 

[Taco Rocket]

Reading between the lines, it seems as if USAPA expects the judge to order mediation -- so they proactively offer to mediate to buy goodwill with the judge.

 

[Ocity]

Reading between the lines, it seems as if USAPA expects the judge to order mediation -- so they proactively offer to mediate to buy goodwill with the judge.

That would be a complete waste of time. The judge isn't going to say anything other than to inform the company what they already know. If they don't use the nic. They're going to get their heads handed to them in court.

That's all the company wants to hear so they can go to the idiots running usapa, shrug their shoulders and say"sorry, the judge won't let us use your DOH list"

 

[Bringupthebird]

It seems the east likes a union President that goes behind their backs for everything. Is there a Committee to ReElect the President (CREEP) in USAPA?

 

[Bad-Andy]

It seems the east likes a union President that goes behind their backs for everything. Is there a Committee to ReElect the President (CREEP) in USAPA?

Change is in the works, Grumpy. Or at least an effort at change is starting. Are you a member in good standing so you can vote in the next election? Every vote will count this next time around.....

 

[Ocity]

Change is in the works, Grumpy. Or at least an effort at change is starting. Are you a member in good standing so you can vote in the next election? Every vote will count this next time around.....

Every West pilot will vote for Cleary. That's already been decided.

 

[Bad-Andy]

Every West pilot will vote for Cleary. That's already been decided.

Ocity,

That's funny, that's not what the West pilots I've been talking to have said. But, maybe you're right... On the other hand, maybe not. If a real, pro-Nic, pro-unity candidate comes along, I'm willing to bet that a lot of guys will vote to finally end this mess. But, I could be wrong...

Andy