Fedex MOAB is out

[CaptainMark]

Go away...u seem to follow me around..look at your previous posts...enough..later

 

[viperdriver]

So if they put newhires in the MD-11 and I get a class date for that 18 months from now do I get passover pay or not?

 

[capt_zman]

As I understand it, only if you have been awarded (specific domicile) 11 f/o and are awaiting to go to class. Anything else, nope.

 

[Falconjet]

So if they put newhires in the MD-11 and I get a class date for that 18 months from now do I get passover pay or not?

If you bid the same seat and domicile and hold it, then they put newhires (or anyone else junior to you) in ahead of you, and your training is delayed because of it, then yes I believe you will get passover pay due to junior pilot's early activation.

Same or subsequent posting, same seat and domicile. Page 24-7 of the contract.

After YOU eventually activate, you will get a lump sum within 30 days for the full amount (which started the day the junior pilot activated) of the passover pay.

I could be wrong, I certainly have been before, but this seems to be the concensus and IAW with the contract.

FJ

 

[PurpleInMEM]

Vent on...

Personally I think we should all bid our current seats at 100%. Let'em put newhires in the left seat of the MD. They want cooperation, then they can come to the table with the intention of reaching a freaking agreement. Unfortunately our collective greed will get the best of us in the end. Too bad, another opportunity lost.

Vent off...

 

[TheBaron]

Vent on...

Personally I think we should all bid our current seats at 100%. Let'em put newhires in the left seat of the MD. They want cooperation, then they can come to the table with the intention of reaching a freaking agreement. Unfortunately our collective greed will get the best of us in the end. Too bad, another opportunity lost.

Vent off...

Good idea...you do that. The negotiating committee and the MEC seem to be a little more optimistic lately about getting a good negotiated contract. I'll bid what I want to fly...you go ahead and whack your own nose off. That'll teach 'em!

 

[PurpleTail]

To all readers that are not FDX pilots,

Please let me apologize for all posts by CAPTAIN MARK. He does NOT represent the majority (or even the miniority) of the pilot group as a whole. Please understand that he comes off a little harsh and abbrasive at times (always) and that most captains are very fun to fly with.

Time to lighten up Captain Francis, try getting laid or switching to Decaf.

 

[hoya saxa]

i think it is your math..and a 727 is not a widebody..

Ok, I'll make this as clear as I can e.e. cummings. Additionally, you might want to read slowly and then re-read a couple of times to make sure you understand:

Item 1) I never said a 727 was a widebody

Item the Second) 36 minus 24 equals 12. All of which are widebody airplanes (MD-10/11 and Airbus).

THUSLY.... 12 widebody airplanes NET increase.

Capiche?

P.S. What happened to your semi-literate disclaimer of "It's just jokes?" Ya gotta be able to take it if you're gonna dish it out!

 

[twgordy]

Debating with him is like arguing with a six year old...

 

[psysix]

To all readers that are not FDX pilots,

Please let me apologize for all posts by CAPTAIN MARK. He does NOT represent the majority (or even the miniority) of the pilot group as a whole. Please understand that he comes off a little harsh and abbrasive at times (always) and that most captains are very fun to fly with.

Time to lighten up Captain Francis, try getting laid or switching to Decaf.

He sounds like exactly what he is, an Embry Rilddle punk that got lucky and got on with FedEx, upgraded and now thinks his $hit really doesn't stink cause he flies a "widebody". His screen name and avatar should be enough evidence.

 

[Spur]

After YOU eventually activate, you will get a lump sum within 30 days for the full amount (which started the day the junior pilot activated) of the passover pay.

I could be wrong, I certainly have been before, but this seems to be the concensus and IAW with the contract.

FJ

Yes, that was the contract, but it does not apply. There is an LOA that changes the way passover pay is paid. You start getting it the month after you become eligible. Then there are several circumstances which could cause you to have to repay it... (downbid before starting training, for example)

Well, the training letter is back out and it looks like most people got moved back a few classes, at least in the bus. Can anyone tell what dates they built the holes... for newhire classes I presume...

 

[Echopapa]

Vent on...

Personally I think we should all bid our current seats at 100%. quote]

Even better....nobody bid the Airbus Capt...that will show them. Then poor suckers like, hmmm, me for example, would be "forced" to upgrade.

Common guys...lets make a stand.

 

[BunsenHoneydew]

Is it a coincidence that the MOAB and the M&G window opened on the same day? How long ago did they know about the new M&G window? (five weeks?) How long ago did they know the MOAB was coming out today?

Conspiracy? I don't know. Related? I don't know. Relevant? I don't know.

Just an observation.....

BH

 

[active_herk]

Vent on...

Personally I think we should all bid our current seats at 100%. Let'em put newhires in the left seat of the MD. They want cooperation, then they can come to the table with the intention of reaching a freaking agreement. Unfortunately our collective greed will get the best of us in the end. Too bad, another opportunity lost.

Vent off...

How many aged 50 or over First Officers and Boeing Captains who still need to get their high five do you think will take you up on this offer? Me thinks not many.

I agree we should show solidarity, but you have to be realistic.

 

[Superunknown]

To all readers that are not FDX pilots,

Please let me apologize for all posts by CAPTAIN MARK. He does NOT represent the majority (or even the miniority) of the pilot group as a whole. Please understand that he comes off a little harsh and abbrasive at times (always) and that most captains are very fun to fly with.

Time to lighten up Captain Francis, try getting laid or switching to Decaf.

So he is actually a FDX captain?

WOW.

I always just assumed he was a poser simply because of his posts. That's scary.

 

[PurpleTail]

265 NEW WIDEBODY CAPTAINS!!!

Lets get this thread back on track.

I know that it said that the next bid will not be out until the Spring of '07 but I'm wondering how many really believe that. I have a feeling that there will be a clean up bid sometime near the end of the year. Anyone?

It looks like the '01 postal boom babies have a shot at 8 years to WB Capt! Yea baby!

 

[PurpleChimp]

When will poolies start getting calls for training?
Is it going to be tough for them to fill the ANC slots or will guys jump on it?
Is it really going to be September before poolies can expect to go to 727 SO training?
Is there any chance of a non-glass, non-heavy, fighter-type getting a shot at an FO seat of any kind?
Any thoughts on calling KD to say I'm available at a moment's notice for any training slot available?

I appreciate words from those in the know.........

 

[Quiet Flight]

Thanks Chimp. Im looking for the same.

Over/Under on the first class being pulled from the pool???

May 8th is my guess.

 

[1st Overnite]

He sounds like exactly what he is, an Embry Rilddle punk that got lucky and got on with FedEx

I hope you aren't classifying all Riddle guys as punks. I've met some pilots who were punks that never got anywhere near to ERAU.

 

[skykid]

Don't leave out adding 12 MD-10's (the BACKBONE of the MD(11) fleet). Balance that against retiring 14 727's and 10 DC-10's however - only a net increase of 12 widebodies.

Hoya, I shared an airport bus with the VP of Flight Ops last month and asked him specifically how many 727s were going away this year. He said we couldn't afford to give up the lift and were going to pay for some expensive mx checks instead of parking airplanes. It sure seemed like we are not getting rid of ANY Boeings in the near future. FWIW.

 

[Haywood]

My guess for the poolies will be when the bid closes, the pool will drain. After they figure out where everyone is going, they will be able to fill the gaps with new hires. My 2 cents.

 

[Falconjet]

Yes, that was the contract, but it does not apply. There is an LOA that changes the way passover pay is paid. You start getting it the month after you become eligible. Then there are several circumstances which could cause you to have to repay it... (downbid before starting training, for example)

Well, the training letter is back out and it looks like most people got moved back a few classes, at least in the bus. Can anyone tell what dates they built the holes... for newhire classes I presume...

Spur: You are correct sir. I just read the Q&A with the Posting and it pretty well lays out the case and mechanics of the passover pay. I don't have a copy of the LOA about the passover pay in my contract, and the last time I looked at the CBA on the website it was not on there either. The Q&A does a pretty good job of summarizing the improved passover system (you indeed get the money as you go instead of having to wait until you activate into the new seat).

Thanks for keeping me honest!

FJ

 

[Falconjet]

When will poolies start getting calls for training?
Is it going to be tough for them to fill the ANC slots or will guys jump on it?
Is it really going to be September before poolies can expect to go to 727 SO training?
Is there any chance of a non-glass, non-heavy, fighter-type getting a shot at an FO seat of any kind?
Any thoughts on calling KD to say I'm available at a moment's notice for any training slot available?

I appreciate words from those in the know.........

Not that I am in the know, but I would keep your online profile up to date, with the latest availability date and PIC hours as possible in there. If the rumors are true and they are going to fill classes for specific seats and domiciles, you might want your latest info in there for them to see when they are deciding who to put in which class when.

Keep in mind these were just rumors, but it can't hurt to keep the online profile up to date. If your "offer" letter said to not call about class dates, as mine did, I personally wouldn't temp fate by calling KD. If they didn't say not to, I don't see it hurting to come up with some excuse to call in and also remind her that you are ready at a moment's notice to report to Memphis.

FJ

 

[boost]

Man am I pumped to finally see this thing. Plus it will be a nice oppurtunity for me to get off of the slave ship.
But I do feel it necessary to point out the obvious...that this bid is coming out probably only days or weeks before the company makes a contract offer directly to the pilots that will not include all the things that our negotiating committee has been fighting for. Just a small oppurtunity to remind people to keep the big picture among the all the excitement!
Anyway going to be a lot of talk around the AOC this week!! Lots of new Captain wings going out soon!

 

[MsFan]

No.of Crew Position Vac.Type/ ApproxTrng Present Sen.No.
Positions V/E Dom. Equip. Seat Length Start Date High / Low
50 V ANC MD11 CAP P/INDEF May-06 124 2422
20 V LAX MD11 CAP P/INDEF May-06 35 2119
97 V MEM Airbus CAP P/INDEF June-06 18 2633
98 V MEM MD11 CAP P/INDEF May-06 5 2595
70 V ANC MD11 F/O P/INDEF October-06 977 4473
21 V LAX MD11 F/O P/INDEF October-06 271 4179
48 V MEM Airbus F/O P/INDEF July-06 178 4264
99 V MEM MD11 F/O P/INDEF October-06 454 4320
50 V MEM B727 S/O P/INDEF September-06 656 4683



What's the start date refer to? For example, do 70 ANC FO's need to completed with training and on the line by October of '06, or is that the latest date training for those positions could start?

 

[JethroF15]

For what it's worth... I had recurrent GS today and ate lunch with Pete Dxxxxxxxx (all the FedEx guys know him because he is the guy that actually sets up and runs the newhire basic indoc classes). Straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak, "next newhire class will start sometime around the 1st 2 weeks of June". He said he hoped it would be sooner but that's what he was planning on.

 

[PurpleInMEM]

Man am I pumped to finally see this thing. Plus it will be a nice oppurtunity for me to get off of the slave ship.
But I do feel it necessary to point out the obvious...that this bid is coming out probably only days or weeks before the company makes a contract offer directly to the pilots that will not include all the things that our negotiating committee has been fighting for. Just a small oppurtunity to remind people to keep the big picture among the all the excitement!
Anyway going to be a lot of talk around the AOC this week!! Lots of new Captain wings going out soon!

Careful now "TheBaron" uke: will spit up purple colored vomit on you for saying that. He's doesn't want you raining on the purple kool-aid parade with any reality.

If the company wants to impress us they can do it with a contract, not more training dates for 'old book' rates and rules.

 

[Miyagi]

Sorry for the rookie question but can someone please explain how the secondary vacancies are filled? I understand how secondary vacancies are created but is there another bid for these or do they do another shuffle based on what was in your standing bid when the primary vacancy bid closed? This is one bid I would rather not flunk!

 

[twgordy]

I must agree with Jethro15. I have a friend that is an internal employee and has been offered the next available class date. He was told not to expect a class until June/July............FWIW

 

[FedExFlyer]

Sorry for the rookie question but can someone please explain how the secondary vacancies are filled? I understand how secondary vacancies are created but is there another bid for these or do they do another shuffle based on what was in your standing bid when the primary vacancy bid closed? This is one bid I would rather not flunk!

Those secondaries are also filled with the primary award. Its all wrapped up in one big package. You need to bid what you want to fly and then everything falls into place at the beginning of May. Primaries and secondaries are all awarded on the same day. Good luck!

I've got my bid in for the 737.........................