FDX MD11 Pilots:

[Huck]

From Communications:

The following November pairings have been disputed by the SIG on safety grounds:

MD11 MEM: 182,183,184,185,186,187,188,189,190,191,192,193,194,195,196, 867,868,869,870,871,873,874,875,877,879,880,881

MD11 ANC: 104

For a complete explanation of why these pairings are being disputed, please read the SIG letter when it is published.

 

[SF3CA]

notice how many are in ANC and how many are in MEM. I wonder if we are loosing block hours here in ANC because we refuse to fly them? Maybe an E-mail from HC is needed in Memphis.

SF3CA

 

[FedEx1]

A lot of these disputed pairings were in ANC once upon a bid month. Some guys even picked them up. Then ALPA let the guys know they had been picking up disputed pairings. There was some peer pressure involved, and the next month, no disputed pairing were picked up.

Lo and behold!! The same trips show up in MEM the following month. They get picked up. I am all for guys picking up anything they want to put their bodies thru... but I could be forced into one of these with reserve.

 

[Los1]

I am in my last month biiding up at ANC (after 3.5 years). I cannot tell you how proud i am to have been associated with that group... I start in MEM in the Nov bid month. I am going to become very vocal about this stuff in the crew room...everybody else should!!
see you in Mecca
Los1

 

[klhoard]

I am in my last month biiding up at ANC (after 3.5 years). I cannot tell you how proud i am to have been associated with that group... I start in MEM in the Nov bid month. I am going to become very vocal about this stuff in the crew room...everybody else should!!
see you in Mecca
Los1

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Tell ya what. . . go down to the Dolly Parton bridge and yell it across the Mighty Mississippi . . . .
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[FlyBoeingJets]

Please tell us what about the pairings make them so tortuous. And disputed.

 

[seefive]

why post this here? Alpa sent out emails earlier today.

 

[TonyC]

Please tell us what about the pairings make them so tortuous. And disputed.

Let's just nip this one in the bud.

The scheduling improvement group, my spokesmen for the FedEx ALPA MEC, have said they're onerous enough to dispute. The Company has a voice in the process, and they can dispute their disputability.

They're disputed pairings. Case closed. Don't fly 'em. End of story.




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[AlbieF15]

...and this, bros, is why you need to keep some issues private. No slam on FBJs, but no matter what you print here SOMEBODY will roll in (maybe a plant, maybe a flamebait starter, a bitter non-member, or maybe simply somebody with another opinion...)but going point by point over company verses union proposals on a public forum won't help our cause or generate any goodwill. Also--just as I don't tell an RJ captain how his 6 leg day "ain't that bad...." since I HAVEN'T DONE IT, I really don't want want a guy who has never worked our schedules tell me "...oh...that doesn't sound too bad..."

If you insist on doing your laundry in public, a lot of people will see the skidmarks on your underwear. Why don't we keep issue specifics to ourselves or to union/pilot only message board.

Just one guy's opinion....but my negotiating committee and my SIG speak for me...

 

[semperfido]

aw jeez you are gonna ruin it for us

 

[Los1]

as an aside, was anybody able to open the adobe acrobat paperwork that came from ALPA via e-mail today...I could not
Los1

 

[FedEx1]

I could open it.

And I hope it doesn't end up here on flightinfo.

 

[oldf4guy]

Albie is right, lets not air our dirty laundry on a public site. The ALPA crewroom has an excellent web board that would be much more appropriate for these discussions. Lets keep this forum to hiring and interview info.
Just my two pesos.

 

[AdlerDriver]

...and this, bros, is why you need to keep some issues private. No slam on FBJs, but no matter what you print here SOMEBODY will roll in (maybe a plant, maybe a flamebait starter, a bitter non-member, or maybe simply somebody with another opinion...)but going point by point over company verses union proposals on a public forum won't help our cause or generate any goodwill. Also--just as I don't tell an RJ captain how his 6 leg day "ain't that bad...." since I HAVEN'T DONE IT, I really don't want want a guy who has never worked our schedules tell me "...oh...that doesn't sound too bad..."

If you insist on doing your laundry in public, a lot of people will see the skidmarks on your underwear. Why don't we keep issue specifics to ourselves or to union/pilot only message board.

Just one guy's opinion....but my negotiating committee and my SIG speak for me...

Just for everyone (Fedex guys) info..... There is a ALPA, Fedex only forum available via the ALPA website. It would be nice if everyone would start using that. Access is controlled and restricted for just the reasons Albie stated. Just a thought.

 

[TonyC]

I think Huck was just trying to raise awareness about Disputed Pairings, and this seems to be a good forum to reach an increasing number of FedEx pilots. In that respect, I don't consider it airing dirty laundry, and I don't see any problem with it. Even I read this forum more frequently than the ALPA board.

I DO object, though, to getting into a quibble match with anyone about WHY they are disputed, or IF they should be disputed. THAT discussion is moot, the decision has already been made, and I will support that decision. No discussion needed.


So, to repeat Huck's message. DO NOT PICK UP DISPUTED PAIRINGS! Doing so undermines the SIG's efforts to improve our schedules, and to protect us from onerous scheduling. Help them help us by leaving those pairings to rot on the vine.






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[klhoard]

Just for everyone (Fedex guys) info..... There is a ALPA, Fedex only forum available via the ALPA website. It would be nice if everyone would start using that. Access is controlled and restricted for just the reasons Albie stated. Just a thought.

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[active_herk]

Just a thought, why don't we start posting the names of the people who are picking up the disputed pairings? If they feel there is nothing wrong in picking them up, I don't see why they would mind if their name was put up in lights on a public board. What do the FedEx pilots think on this one?
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Hi- Not sure how the FedEx pilots would feel, but the webmaster and the moderators would take a dim view of it here. Just to narrow the focus down, this is a privately-owned board which is able to be accessed by the public, as long certain rules are followed. One of those rules is not posting people's names or other identifying information.

I understand your point, but it needs to be on another board.

Sorry,
UAL78
Moderator

 

[semperfido]

Even I read this forum more frequently than the ALPA board.



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Gee, that one is a no brainer.

 

[AlbieF15]

No complaints about Huck...heck we were AU classmates! My concern is the follow on WHY or WHY NOT issues w/non-company folks. That should stay private.

Press on....

 

[skykid]

How junior is FO on the MadDog going? How about 300/310 FO in comparison. Thanks.