Fastest Training Route

[Swass]

My cousin is trying to bust out his ratings the fastest way possible. He is part of a flying club where twins are cheap. I suggested after his private he get his MEL and log the rest of his requirements for instrument, comm etc. in the twin (or as much as is practical). What are your opinions on the most effective way to achieve this?

 

[The_Russian]

Does the flying club have dedicated instructors?

 

[Swass]

Yes they do. I also told him to split the costs and ride shotgun with the other student under the hood to offset some of the per hour costs. What order would you recommend getting the ratings? All my training was piece-meal when I went through.

I am paying the costs for him to do this (we've arranged a payback schedule) so I want him to be employable ASAP with plenty of multi. I have several opp's lined up for him once he is employable as an FO. The twins go for $117 hr wet so that is pretty smokin'.

 

[Metro752]

PP-ASEL
PP-AMEL
PP-AMEL-IA(good for the ASEL)
CP-AMEL (IA is good from the PP-AMEL-IA)

CP-AMEL isn't good for ASEL though, but the instrument rating would be if he chose to do a CP-ASEL.


Then all the requirements should be logged with the reg part, like just an example, i dont know what this is but lets say a requirement is 10 take off and landings at night at a controlled airport, "61.157 (c) iii" etc in the remarks along with other info. Makes it easier on the examiner. Then you can highlite/cross out each requirement when done in a current FAR/AIM book.

BTW you are an awfully nice guy to be doing this for him.

 

[Swass]

Thanks Metro. How long did it take you to get through the training this way? We have it figured for about 9 months through commercial flying three to four times a week. He has 47 hours and is awaiting his private checkride now. He can fly about 10 hrs or so a week for now.

 

[Metro752]

I was down at ATPs at Craig Field. Not including the private, which I did in high school, about 3 months flying at least every other day, if not every day, with a week of just studying in between a couple times. I had 100 or so hours before I took the private multi, though I hadn't flown in over a year and only had 8 flt hours to prepare for it. That's when sims can really come in handy.

During instrument I flew maybe 3 hours a day, almost every day, along with some time in a simulator. During the time building, which was all done on instrument flight plans, I believe I flew about 30 hours a week for maybe 2 and a half weeks. 95% of the multi time I have, sent you a PM earlier, is flying instruments.

It was about 120 hours ( on top of the 100 or so before the private multi ) in 3 months, not that bad, and can be done if you don't have any obligations. There was no rush for me, just plentyof time to knock out some ratings.

The school I went to, ATP has a good program, nice planes, but it has a few flaws, and they just jacked up the price another $5k. They offer way more than anyone needs at this point, and really ought to offer something with not as many certificates, or a commercial program, and maybe just a CFI, not the entire CFI/CFII/MEI, or an a la cart option. I have no idea why they offer their citation jet ride. Though you are doing something completely different with your cousin, and that's way better than most of us can do.

 

[Swass]

Thanks for the replies.

Anymore ideas out there?

 

[DrProc]

I had a student knock out his commercial and CFI in one checkride. Just did all the flying from the right seat, although it took a little while convincing the examiner that it was legit to do. But then again, I am still not sure it is legit to do.

 

[Grey Ghost]

The Answer is easy! Sheble Aviation in Kingman Az Check it out!

 

[FlyingToIST]

Do you really want to be a good pilot or a pilot with certificates.. ATP Inc won't let you rent the airplanes. Sheble's had so many violations that they had to move from one FSDO juristriction to another one.. Find your local good school and stick with it..

 

[Swass]

Thanks for the responses. We aren't looking for a school, we have that covered. I was looking more for order of training to minimize calendar time and maximize multi. Whatever combinations you have seen or heard about that would make him more competetive. Thanks again.

 

[CX880]

private pilot, multi add-on, then instrument, then commercial single, then commercial multi. Then you should do the CFI, CFII, MEI.

The actual flying is very doable, it should take you about 2 months from instrument training to commercial rating if you fly every day. The problem that you will have is scheduling the examiners and the CFI portion. Examiners may not be available when you want them unless you shedule them in advance eventhough you migh not be ready. If you cancel or delay, that equals a future faild checkride though so be care full with that.

CFI takes time if you want to do it right. Good luck. I'd just go with ATP, they specilaise in what your friend wants to do.

 

[sqwkvfr]

$160,000 will get you through Oxford...granted, it's a JAA license, but the people that I was teaching to land just a few months ago are just finishing IOE on B757s.

Yes, it hurts.

 

[Grey Ghost]

Do you really want to be a good pilot or a pilot with certificates.. ATP Inc won't let you rent the airplanes. Sheble's had so many violations that they had to move from one FSDO juristriction to another one.. Find your local good school and stick with it..

They did'nt switch because of violations!

 

[Swass]

$160,000 will get you through Oxford...granted, it's a JAA license, but the people that I was teaching to land just a few months ago are just finishing IOE on B757s.

Yes, it hurts.

What's the story on Americans at this school? Employment thereafter for Americans?