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igneousy2

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Flight attendants told senators Wednesday that they deserve the same expedited security screening that pilots enjoy under an experimental program at airports.


Sara Nelson, international vice president of the Association of Flight Attendants union, told the Senate Appropriations subcommittee on homeland security that flight attendants get the same 10-year background checks as pilots, but aren't included in the experimental screening program called Known Crewmember.

The Transportation Security Administration's experiment allows pilots in uniform from 22 airlines to bypass regular screening at seven airports to get to their flights. The airports are Chicago O'Hare, Miami, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Phoenix, Boston, Washington Dulles and Seattle. About 59,000 pilots have passed through since the program began in August.
Besides allowing TSA to focus on riskier passengers, the advantage for travelers is that checkpoint lines become shorter for everyone. Nelson, whose group represents 60,000 workers at 22 airlines, called for concrete dates when the program will be expanded to flight attendants.
"The time is now," Nelson said.
The subcommittee's chairman, Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., agreed.
"If any group is to be considered trusted travelers, it most certainly is our flight crews," Landrieu said.
But TSA Administrator John Pistole told the committee he wants to confirm the program is working before expanding it to other crew members.
He said a recent agreement with airlines and a pilots union will expand the program to 20 more airports, and that there have been several meetings to include flight attendants.
"I've been I think pretty clear about wanting to do this as a pilot initiative with the pilots to start off and then once that happened, would make a decision as relates to the flight attendants," Pistole said.
 
All I'm saying is...the more people in the program...the more people likely to screw it up.
 
FAs don't work in the cockpit so the same argument doesnt apply to them. And there are no qualifications to be an FA so any Joe schmo can get hired and be in the air within a couple weeks. I'd say it's too risky
 
I have to agree with you all. Most regional airlines hire FA's right out of the newspaper. They clear very few hurdles on the pathway to employment as an FA, and they are not part of the cockpit crew except when we have to leave the cockpit. I also second the arguement about the shear numbers of them and odds are that they will screw it up before we do. I know that sounds arrogent but its not meant to.
 
Simple

When they need a license to do their job, the same scrutiny we deal with to get hired, then they can use KCM.
 
FAs don't work in the cockpit so the same argument doesnt apply to them. And there are no qualifications to be an FA so any Joe schmo can get hired and be in the air within a couple weeks. I'd say it's too risky


amen. if anything there should be additional screening of the FAs.
 
Mechanics have licenses but arent allowed the same plivelages as you guys and gals are Hell we arent in most cases allowed to use our ID badges to get thru TSA. Doesnt anyone realize we have more acces then even you pilots? whats wrong with that picture?
 
They do have a license. Looks just like ours without the blood sweat and tears. Kind of like the TSA has a badge.

If they want a "license", maybe they should go take a checkride with the actual FAA? That might not be good for some senior ones.



Godspeed!


The OYSter
 
Mechanics have licenses but arent allowed the same plivelages as you guys and gals are Hell we arent in most cases allowed to use our ID badges to get thru TSA. Doesnt anyone realize we have more acces then even you pilots? whats wrong with that picture?

LOL.. That's exactly what I was thinking. Pretty much EVERY employee at the airport (except pilots and FAs) waltzes in the back door on a daily basis.

As long as this remains the case, the entire KCM idea is a farce.
 
If the stews are such a security risk ,should we start positioning ourselves in a karate-like attack position every time they come into the cockpit during pi$$ breaks? Maybe some of you guys already do.....
 
Mechanics have licenses but arent allowed the same plivelages as you guys and gals are Hell we arent in most cases allowed to use our ID badges to get thru TSA. Doesnt anyone realize we have more acces then even you pilots? whats wrong with that picture?

And how often do you have to pass through the TSA checkpoints in order to perform your job?

Thanks,
 
How hard would it be for a terrorist organization to have a couple of their people hire-on with an airline. They then "buddy bid" and use their KCM authorization to clear security with some razor knives or worse. They wait for a potty break, slash some throats and voila they have control of the airplane. There is NO freaking way they should have KCM. If they even consider it, we should all adamantly oppose it.


Good thing the rampers, fuelers, cleaners, provisioners, gate agents etc. etc. etc. don't have KCM! They might be able to do the same thing!


Oh, wait...... :rolleyes:
 
While I'm all for FA's having access to KCM, the difference between us and them is we already have control of the A/C. FA's would have to take control to get control. There is NO point in checking us for weapons as we wouldn't need them, anyway, to cause harm. An FA would likely need a weapon to cause harm. A coke can slammed to the back of my head while my partner is out pi$$ing might do it, though.

And what if you are a small she and the FA is a huge he?
 
Wow this thread is getting really paranoid, the way I see it we paid for it we set it up and before we worry about letting other groups use it the program should be at all US airports served by airlines. If after that they want to have a screening process to allow f/a's use of it then whatever. When this was crew pass they were trying to include fa's and it just got it more bogged down and never became a reality. If a f/a wanted to take a shot at you while your flying they wouldn't need to bother with kcm there are all kinds of ways to incapacitate some one.
 
Wow this thread is getting really paranoid, the way I see it we paid for it we set it up and before we worry about letting other groups use it the program should be at all US airports served by airlines. If after that they want to have a screening process to allow f/a's use of it then whatever. When this was crew pass they were trying to include fa's and it just got it more bogged down and never became a reality. If a f/a wanted to take a shot at you while your flying they wouldn't need to bother with kcm there are all kinds of ways to incapacitate some one.

Right now there is a psychological deterent when F/A's go thru security, that deterent is lost when they can bypass it completely.
 
I know some of you can't stand to think of it but, F/As are part of our security team. I'd put them a lot higher on the trust-scale than anyone who gets to bypass the screening/check-in process.

I'd even go as far as to say I'd like to see them get JS privileges (priority behind ALL pilots).

What is: MORON
 
GEEZUS, do you see how baseless these arguments are? Obviously not. You guys should really work for TSA.

YGBFSM!!!! We give unfettered, unscreened access to our planes to those making damn near minimum wage with a fraction of training and vetting of F/As. How easy would it be to bribe one to put a weapon on the aircraft for a flight attendant (or anyone else) to use? For that matter, how hard would it be for an F/A, even assuming NO crewmember exemptions, to bring a 3 oz. aerosol can of "bat gas" or a few drops any of a number of liquid substances which could easily disable or kill a pilot in seconds? Should we also forbid the hiring of any flight attendant that has ever taken a flight lesson?? Just to make sure there aren't any loopholes, any flight attendant would be barred from seeking any kind of flight training? Sorry Romeo, that Stearman "lesson" can't get you laid anymore.

We talk about the stupidity of having to go through screening when we already have control of the plane but we want to exclude part of our team. I know some of you can't stand to think of it but, F/As are part of our security team. I'd put them a lot higher on the trust-scale than anyone who gets to bypass the screening/check-in process.

I'd even go as far as to say I'd like to see them get JS privileges (priority behind ALL pilots). We let OTHER "certificated airmen" in the cockpit (who can bypass security and have no clue about sterile cockpit). Why not F/As?

Must be dating one!?!?
 
From a good source- a big trip up with FAs and KCM is their long and lengthy history of smuggling. I know, in 2012 it sounds almost cute- but it is an issue, surprisingly enough- Pilots are simply more invested, and didn't take the risks that FAs did in the 70's and 80's getting drugs and arms in and out of the country- if FAs bags went unscreened again, there would be a very small percentage totaling in the hundreds who would abuse that situation to make some extra "liquor money"
 
From a good source- a big trip up with FAs and KCM is their long and lengthy history of smuggling. I know, in 2012 it sounds almost cute- but it is an issue, surprisingly enough- Pilots are simply more invested, and didn't take the risks that FAs did in the 70's and 80's getting drugs and arms in and out of the country- if FAs bags went unscreened again, there would be a very small percentage totaling in the hundreds who would abuse that situation to make some extra "liquor money"

Not to pick on you Wave, but you're trying to apply logic where there is none. That breaker tripped in '88.

FAs aren't screened as pax because of smuggling (or anything else).

They (as well as pilots) are screened because a fired ground ops type smuggled a .44 magnum onto an airplane, killed his ex boss, both pilots and a planeload of people when it broke up over Paso Robles in '87.

How is screening the only employees that don't need a weapon to take over the airplane (right before they take over an airplane) gonna prevent that?
 
Jar Jar beat me:


Too.

I was expecting to open the thread and read the rest of the statement about what the fas
wanted kcm to do.
 

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