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igneousy2

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Flight attendants told senators Wednesday that they deserve the same expedited security screening that pilots enjoy under an experimental program at airports.


Sara Nelson, international vice president of the Association of Flight Attendants union, told the Senate Appropriations subcommittee on homeland security that flight attendants get the same 10-year background checks as pilots, but aren't included in the experimental screening program called Known Crewmember.

The Transportation Security Administration's experiment allows pilots in uniform from 22 airlines to bypass regular screening at seven airports to get to their flights. The airports are Chicago O'Hare, Miami, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Phoenix, Boston, Washington Dulles and Seattle. About 59,000 pilots have passed through since the program began in August.
Besides allowing TSA to focus on riskier passengers, the advantage for travelers is that checkpoint lines become shorter for everyone. Nelson, whose group represents 60,000 workers at 22 airlines, called for concrete dates when the program will be expanded to flight attendants.
"The time is now," Nelson said.
The subcommittee's chairman, Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., agreed.
"If any group is to be considered trusted travelers, it most certainly is our flight crews," Landrieu said.
But TSA Administrator John Pistole told the committee he wants to confirm the program is working before expanding it to other crew members.
He said a recent agreement with airlines and a pilots union will expand the program to 20 more airports, and that there have been several meetings to include flight attendants.
"I've been I think pretty clear about wanting to do this as a pilot initiative with the pilots to start off and then once that happened, would make a decision as relates to the flight attendants," Pistole said.
 
All I'm saying is...the more people in the program...the more people likely to screw it up.
 
FAs don't work in the cockpit so the same argument doesnt apply to them. And there are no qualifications to be an FA so any Joe schmo can get hired and be in the air within a couple weeks. I'd say it's too risky
 
I have to agree with you all. Most regional airlines hire FA's right out of the newspaper. They clear very few hurdles on the pathway to employment as an FA, and they are not part of the cockpit crew except when we have to leave the cockpit. I also second the arguement about the shear numbers of them and odds are that they will screw it up before we do. I know that sounds arrogent but its not meant to.
 
Simple

When they need a license to do their job, the same scrutiny we deal with to get hired, then they can use KCM.
 
FAs don't work in the cockpit so the same argument doesnt apply to them. And there are no qualifications to be an FA so any Joe schmo can get hired and be in the air within a couple weeks. I'd say it's too risky


amen. if anything there should be additional screening of the FAs.
 
Mechanics have licenses but arent allowed the same plivelages as you guys and gals are Hell we arent in most cases allowed to use our ID badges to get thru TSA. Doesnt anyone realize we have more acces then even you pilots? whats wrong with that picture?
 
They do have a license. Looks just like ours without the blood sweat and tears. Kind of like the TSA has a badge.

If they want a "license", maybe they should go take a checkride with the actual FAA? That might not be good for some senior ones.



Godspeed!


The OYSter
 
Mechanics have licenses but arent allowed the same plivelages as you guys and gals are Hell we arent in most cases allowed to use our ID badges to get thru TSA. Doesnt anyone realize we have more acces then even you pilots? whats wrong with that picture?

LOL.. That's exactly what I was thinking. Pretty much EVERY employee at the airport (except pilots and FAs) waltzes in the back door on a daily basis.

As long as this remains the case, the entire KCM idea is a farce.
 
If the stews are such a security risk ,should we start positioning ourselves in a karate-like attack position every time they come into the cockpit during pi$$ breaks? Maybe some of you guys already do.....
 
Mechanics have licenses but arent allowed the same plivelages as you guys and gals are Hell we arent in most cases allowed to use our ID badges to get thru TSA. Doesnt anyone realize we have more acces then even you pilots? whats wrong with that picture?

And how often do you have to pass through the TSA checkpoints in order to perform your job?

Thanks,
 
How hard would it be for a terrorist organization to have a couple of their people hire-on with an airline. They then "buddy bid" and use their KCM authorization to clear security with some razor knives or worse. They wait for a potty break, slash some throats and voila they have control of the airplane. There is NO freaking way they should have KCM. If they even consider it, we should all adamantly oppose it.


Good thing the rampers, fuelers, cleaners, provisioners, gate agents etc. etc. etc. don't have KCM! They might be able to do the same thing!


Oh, wait...... :rolleyes:
 
While I'm all for FA's having access to KCM, the difference between us and them is we already have control of the A/C. FA's would have to take control to get control. There is NO point in checking us for weapons as we wouldn't need them, anyway, to cause harm. An FA would likely need a weapon to cause harm. A coke can slammed to the back of my head while my partner is out pi$$ing might do it, though.

And what if you are a small she and the FA is a huge he?
 

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