Farken Ag Pilot!

[mattpilot]

You guys are hilarious!

@NJA Capt ... read beyond the "...." that you cut off.


@ the rest of you idiots that think what he did was fine...

we called the FBO at 0F8 (feel free to do the same). His tail number is 502JP. The FBO guys asked him if he knew what he did - according to the FBO guys, he said he was kinda surprised himself and didn't really pay attention! Call the FBO yourself to hear it first hand.

As for it being an Ag field - not really. According to the FBO, it was the first time he came out there. And it is also a known training field in the area.


Now please, continue to make excuses for his actions. Its real funny.

 

[FreightGuyNTX]

The simple truth is most likely something like this...
His approach to the airportalong with the descent and flyover to the other runway was his way of announcing to his loader that he was back, he used the runway he did because in his determination the end of the roll out to the load out was the shortest distance from that runway, he was hungry, tired, covered in Roundup and didn't give a darn about the others around him because they can see and avoid, besides he has too much S*%T to do today and tonight before he goes to bed to be wasting any time.

simple truth, wrong...right? maybe, but the way it is.

 

[MarineGrunt]

Wreckless pilots are everywhere. Not just in a plane with a 300hr CFI or in an ag aircraft. To say in general ag pilots are dangerous is a reach, but I don't think the original poster was trying to say that. Needless to say vigilance and consideration should be used by EVERYONE in the pattern because you never know who, what or when someone is going to try to kill you.

I think this topic is a good example of why CFI's should teach their students about different types of aircraft operations. At an uncontrolled airfield, they should know what to expect with ag ops in the area, or a Learjet on a 10 mile final, banner/glider towing etc.

The one thing that we can all agree on is to be looking out for eachother and clear, clear, clear. Even if you DO have a TCAS monkey. (Now available at Sporty's Pet Department. Now available with "Altitude Reminder Monkey" and "Holding Pattern Entry Calculating Monkey")

 

[mattpilot]

but I don't think the original poster was trying to say that

No i wasn't - first line in original post. I was only talking about this particular dude.


For the rest of you ... Before you post, read the entire thread.

we are not simply talking about someone cutting into a 747 pattern - we are talking about someone doing an OPPOSITE approach and landing! Why would he continue his approach if he saw someone on the take-off roll? Yea... see and avoid good stuff.

 

[CapnVegetto]

Never thought I'd disagree with avbug but my God! Use some common sense man!

What do you do if someone does that to you in a car on the road? You get really pi$$ed yell and probably use a gesture that we all know well. Now try doing that flying. I was heading for my commercial checkride a # of years ago, flew into Starkville, MS, landed, and in the middle of my rollout, here comes some dumba$$ in a turbine ag plane heading right for me. He saw me at the last second and pulled up....probably missed me by 30 feet or so. I was a 250 hour guy nervous as hell because I had a checkride that day, and it didn't help almost getting killed by some stupid sonofabit-h that wasn't following even the simplest safety protocols. Forget the FAR's, forget proper procedure, how about just using some d-mn COMMON SENSE?? Because you're an ag pilot does not make you above safety. Everybody else doesn't revolve around you.

 

[VampyreGTX]

Well, it was this AG pilots first time to that airport, he told the FBO he wasn't paying attention...

anyway, did mattpilot start by saying he's NOT generalizing AG piltos just this one guy? It was the rest of the conversation that slowly drew in the generalizations.

The problem is this, there is a public perception of 'bad' ag pilots he possibly because for people that don't experience them first hand like the ag piltos themselves or the guy that owns the farmland and uses ag pilots that posted, they only hear and read the complaints and stories that highlight the problems. Just like the news, you won't read about the ag pilot that was couteous, landed safely and had no issues cause why would you post that?! It's boring and is nothing you would care to share as it's routine.

Yes, this guy was careless, I'm not saying he did anything illegal as per the regs being quoted, it sure looks like he could do what he did. The FBO confronted him and he supposedly said he just wasn't aware of what he did cause he wasn't paying attention. That is careless, flying that way and not paying attention to traffic in the pattern at your first visit to an airport is not a safe operation. He was never there, which means people in the pattern and flying in that airport have little experience with AG planes and wouldn't be expecting them as they don't operate there normally from what it sounds like.

 

[MarineGrunt]

Never thought I'd disagree with avbug but my God! Use some common sense man!

What do you do if someone does that to you in a car on the road? You get really pi$$ed yell and probably use a gesture that we all know well. Now try doing that flying. I was heading for my commercial checkride a # of years ago, flew into Starkville, MS, landed, and in the middle of my rollout, here comes some dumba$$ in a turbine ag plane heading right for me. He saw me at the last second and pulled up....probably missed me by 30 feet or so. I was a 250 hour guy nervous as hell because I had a checkride that day, and it didn't help almost getting killed by some stupid sonofabit-h that wasn't following even the simplest safety protocols. Forget the FAR's, forget proper procedure, how about just using some d-mn COMMON SENSE?? Because you're an ag pilot does not make you above safety. Everybody else doesn't revolve around you.

EXCACT same thing happened to my wife in ND.

 

[FL000]

Should've sicked the trunk monkey on him...

http://www.trunkmonkey.com/content/view/29/51/http://media.trunkmonkey.com/video/suburban/Monkey1-high.wmv

 

[Brett Hull]

... Forget the FAR's, forget proper procedure, how about just using some d-mn COMMON SENSE?? Because you're an ag pilot does not make you above safety. Everybody else doesn't revolve around you.

Be prepared to be called a "meathead".

 

[ceo_of_the_sofa]

Did you park and have a word with the fellow?

 

[Fury220]

I typically respect a lot of what avbug says on here, and he typically comes across as an unbiased, professional aviator.

Reading this thread and discovering that he is an ag pilot, however, has made me question his impartiality on this topic.

Opposite direction landing with a full traffic pattern = Safe???? YGBSM.

 

[VNugget]

Okay. So now we've got upwards of 3 pages of being told how clueless we are and that we shouldn't speak of what we don't understand. Fair enough. We're a bunch of spoiled, tricycle-gear-flying, crosswind-fearing, radio-overusing, TCAS-gawking, 747-pattern-landing, lacy-panties-wearing, city boys that don't know how cropdusters think and fly. But WHY won't someone then educate us as to what we're missing!?

Coming from a background of contemporary flight training where we've been drilled with the importance of standard procedures and traffic patterns for the sake of expecting the other guy's next move, is it really THAT riduculous of a notion that someone is a bit miffed by another plane landing downwind against traffic, causing someone on takeoff roll to need to get out of the way? Since that goes againt some axioms in a lot of people's entire flight training, is it not a valid issue to raise? And, if we're gonna get scolded by those who fly that way for raising that issue, aren't we justified in expecting some explanation instead of just insults?

 

[DC4boy]

Its not the lack of proceedure, or situational awareness, or anything else. Time is of the essence when flying ag. Nobody gets paid when the gates closed.


Simple professional common curtesey, to give way, let him do his thing. Then resume your routine.

Then to bring it here to this board is, well, Rook, just unprofessional

 

[Fury220]

Okay. So now we've got upwards of 3 pages of being told how clueless we are and that we shouldn't speak of what we don't understand. Fair enough. We're a bunch of spoiled, tricycle-gear-flying, radio-overusing, lacy-panties-wearing, 747-pattern-landing city boys that don't know how cropdusters think and fly. But WHY won't someone then educate us as to what we're missing!?

Coming from a background of contemporary flight training where we've been drilled with the importance of standard procedures and traffic patterns for the sake of expecting the other guy's next move, is it really THAT riduculous of a notion that someone is a bit miffed by another plane landing downwind against traffic, causing someone on takeoff roll to need to get out of the way? Since that goes againt some axioms in a lot of people's entire flight training, is it not a valid issue to raise? And, if we're gonna get scolded by those who fly that way for raising that issue, aren't we justified in expecting some explanation instead of just insults?

Excellent post. Ditto.

 

[mattpilot]

Its not the lack of proceedure, or situational awareness, or anything else. Time is of the essence when flying ag. Nobody gets paid when the gates closed.


Simple professional common curtesey, to give way, let him do his thing. Then resume your routine.

Then to bring it here to this board is, well, Rook, just unprofessional

I ain't got no problem letting a "working man" get ahead of me in the pattern because he's in a hurry. Have done it many times before. I have no problem extending or slowing down so he can safely land. The issue is safety. But i see we have a different opinion on whats safe.


Here's a scenario for you. You are in a RJ flying to an uncontrolled airport. While on short final you notice a little yellow plane also on short final, but approaching from the other end. This is the first time you saw him while doing your own approach. You weren't aware of his presence because he didn't announce. Winds are 10 knots in your favor. What do you do?

Here's another scenario. You just started your take off roll at an uncontrolled field in you RJ. Suddenly you notice a little yellow plane coming in on final as you are about to reach Vr. Again, you weren't aware of the plane and the winds are 10 knots in your favor. What do you do?

 

[Fury220]

Here's a scenario for you. You are in a RJ flying to an uncontrolled airport. While on short final you notice a little yellow plane also on short final, but approaching from the other end. This is the first time you saw him while doing your own approach. You weren't aware of his presence because he didn't announce. Winds are 10 knots in your favor. What do you do?

Here's another scenario. You just started your take off roll at an uncontrolled field in you RJ. Suddenly you notice a little yellow plane coming in on final as you are about to reach Vr. Again, you weren't aware of the plane and the winds are 10 knots in your favor. What do you do?

Well, *OBVIOUSLY* the pilot of the yellow plane is in the right. I can't even fathom the amount of work he does to help us all, let alone all his after-work obligations he has to meet. Let him land. Hell, if I were in my T-38, I'd just point the nose off the runway, send 'er into the dirt at 170+ KIAS, and order the ejection. I bow before anything and everything an ag pilot does. The sky is his domain, and I am only fortunate to borrow it for an hour at a time. ::rolls his eyes so hard it hurts::

 

[EatSleepFly]

Its not the lack of proceedure, or situational awareness, or anything else. Time is of the essence when flying ag. Nobody gets paid when the gates closed.


Simple professional common curtesey, to give way, let him do his thing. Then resume your routine.

Then to bring it here to this board is, well, Rook, just unprofessional

Time is of the essence? That's the excuse for landing in the opposite direction of everyone else with several airplanes in the pattern? Sounds lame to me. Time is of the essence flying on-demand freight too, but I sure don't expect a pattern full of airplanes to re-arrange themselves so I can get in first and save maybe 2-3 minutes. Guess I'm just an ingoramus too, along with everyone else who is questioning the safety of this guy's actions.

Next time I see an ag plane getting loaded up, I'll be sure to hold and wait for him to finish loading, taxi out, and take off. Wouldn't want to chance getting in his way or anything.

 

[irapilot]

The TCAS monkey made a mess of the seats of my airplane and humped a passenger's leg - she wasn't happy. It is a real problem in the corporate world. So, we have sent him out to be fixed and there are no loaners, well, they had a TCAS turtle but I really didn't find him all that useful or attentive. I love the trunk monkey and I want one.

Come guys, lessons enough here for everyone.

 

[DC4boy]

I dont fly an RJ.........

 

[YGBSM]

Hell, if I were in my T-38....,170+ KIAS...ejection.....blah, blah,blah

Best surreptitious "look-how-cool-I-am" post this week. Next time put something in there about Mach number. It still won't have anything to do with what you're talking about, but the chicks love it.