RideTheWind
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RideTheWind said:The KX155 is even funnier, say again, speak up, can't hear ya.
Why can't a crop duster use a handheld? Is their some law against it? I realize it is not required but is it smart!
One more thing, I see the reference you make above that states nothing about deviating from recommended traffic protocols at an un-controlled field. So try and find another one that has something to do with the issue being dicussed please. I think the above reference is for flying below minimum altitudes over rural areas and doesn't give cart blaunch(sp)? to deviate from standard high density traffic area proceedures.
No wonder ag pilots don't live very long
avbug said:TD,
You're going to lecture us on safety...the guy who bragged about seeking ice in his slick and clean Cessna 182? Come, now.
The original poster, an inexperienced low-time pilot, writes a tail about an ag pilot who weaves in and out of traffic, cutting off every aircraft in the pattern, and posing more danger to the flying public than a disgruntled cameljockey with a dirty bomb. The inexperienced low-time pilot helped save the day by making radio calls on behalf of the ag pilot, and seems to think that radios look for traffic.
Seems to be that the entire episode might be a bit suspect, or at least the perspective provided by the inexperienced low time pilot. Then again, your assertion that one should carry a handheld radio suggests that flying without a radio is dangerous...which only belies your own inexperience and ignorance regarding the matter.
Eyeballs find traffic, not radios.
Clearly you've never flown an ag airplane, or performed that type of work, or you wouldn't ask such a ridiculous, stupid question...and no, it's not "smart."
Lessee...you must be making reference to 91.127(b), which reads:
§ 91.127 Operating on or in the vicinity of an airport in Class E airspace.
(b) Departures. Each pilot of an aircraft must comply with any traffic patterns established for that airport in part 93 of this chapter.
You assert that the regulation quoted in 137.29(c) has no relevance to the discussion. Perhaps you're the only one dense enough to not understand the regulation, or note that it excuses the aerial agricultural operator from the requirements of Part 91 while engaging in aerial application. No, it's not just about flying over houses while enroute to the field. It's about the whole kit and caboodle. You're probably not aware that most ag aircraft are maintained and operated under CAM 8, either, that takes most maintenance and maintenance performance regulations right out of the picture.
Ag operations, while conducted responsibly and professionally as always, are exempt from most regulations as you think you know them (but clearly do not)...perhaps the last vestage of the ancient barnstorming days, and some of the last free flying to be had.
The description that mattpilot gave indicated no illegal action. In fact, from his description, the ag pilot had the right of way. Not that he needed it.
You're really not the one to talk about what is safe and what is not, with the ridiculous statements you've made here publically. Not that you'd understand or know what constitutes safe operation.
Many, many times I've elected to use a different runway than what others are using, and rightfully so. Most of the time, all the little weekend lemmings flying the "active runway" see the light and switch runways, but not always so. Do I care? No.
Neither should you. Perhaps you should stick to experiencing icing in your 182 while the ice season still has any oomph. Do you think?
That was a rhetorical question.
Mattpilot made the following statement, and ended it with a smiley face:
Perhaps mattpilot, you think that's funny. But before you put cute little smileyfaces at the end of such asinine, ignorant, stupid-assed pinheaded comments, you ought to find out just what the hell you're talking about. Do you think?
That wasn't a rhetorical question.
Incidentally, brightspark...how do you get an "active runway" without a control tower? Your'e the intelligent one, far smarter than any "gung ho" ag aviator, and probably understand the business a lot more...so answer that one. Can you have an "active runway" at an uncontrolled field? (just say no)
Incidentally, my first boss in ag aviation had been doing it fifty years when he died. In his sleep.
You sound like one of those guys that reports a near mid-air if you see another aircaft within the same county...and go-around if you see opposing traffic. Sounds to me like that "gung-ho" ag pilot probably figured rightly that he had plenty of time to get down, and didn't want to be bothered with four or five weekend warriors who felt they knew more than everybody else, flew space shuttle patterns, and had all the time in the world.
Some of us actually work for a living, you know.
I used to spray just outside Tulsa. In fact, I recall one busy little gravel strip where we were flying...a female flight instructor made seen attempts to land there one day. Every time she tried to land, someone was either landing the opposite direction or taking off the opposite direction. She finally ran out of fuel and landed anyway. She was frothing at the mouth and fuming and wanted to have a piece of every one of us. She was probably more upset because we were laughing at her. And she deserved it.
Perhaps a handheld radio might have saved her day.
Reckless flying is O.K.? He can ignore all part 91? Please enlighten us so we can stay well clear of these operations, if this is the case, they should be NOTAM'ed at the very least.
My question still stands, why can't a crop duster use a handheld to improve traffic awareness, as stated ealier, seeing only is flawed and any extra tool can be a life saver. I want and respect your opinion on this without the fluff please.
DC4boy said:Boy you're right! What an Idiot. This guy's out trying to earn a living, helping farmers feed America, and the whole time, he's screwing up one of your bazillion 747 T&G patterns. Oh the Humanity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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§ 137.29 General.
(c) The holder of an agricultural aircraft operator certificate may deviate from the provisions of Part 91 of this chapter without a certificate of waiver, as authorized in this subpart for dispensing operations, when conducting nondispensing aerial work operations related to agriculture, horticulture, or forest preservation in accordance with the operating rules of this subpart.