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The FAPA President is willing to throw over 1/2 of the F9 guys under the bus so he can try and get his 8 years at F9 turned into 20 years at SWA. I come up with 1/2 = all the FOs and all the furloughed pilots. If I was a captain at F9 I might want this gamble ( probably not). If I was an FO or furloughed F9 pilot I would be seeking legal council . Your president is not looking out for the majority. JMO Once again good luck to all....
 

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The FAPA President is representing his pilots and rightly unwilling to concede their contractual and legal right to a fair and equitable SLI process.
 

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The FAPA President is willing to throw over 1/2 of the F9 guys under the bus so he can try and get his 8 years at F9 turned into 20 years at SWA. I come up with 1/2 = all the FOs and all the furloughed pilots. If I was a captain at F9 I might want this gamble ( probably not). If I was an FO or furloughed F9 pilot I would be seeking legal council . Your president is not looking out for the majority. JMO Once again good luck to all....

Just your opinion, of course. It is not like you are an uninterested bystander.
 

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The FAPA President is representing his pilots and rightly unwilling to concede their contractual and legal right to a fair and equitable SLI process.
Thats true.
And now that he has some experience I'm sure he will get F9 a fabulous deal at RJet.
 

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Just your opinion, of course. It is not like you are an uninterested bystander.
Only F9 guys can decide if their President is taking them down the correct path. If enough of the junior guys feel like it is them against the Captains then they need to do something and do it fast.
 

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I guess you take the first offer a car salesman offers you at the car lot? No, you wait for a better deal. If they can't offer you a suitable deal, you move on. Gary Kelly offered a lot more money for F9 than Republic did, which means HE WANTS IT. He won't just throw it away thanks to SWAPA's arrogance. They are going to have to find something better than a staple.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 

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Why do you think that F9 pilots would make less than they're making now at RAH? It's not in RAH pilots' long term interest for that to happen and it's not in F9 pilots' interest for that to happen either. They've been operating at a profit for the past number of months as has RAH for a long time and they're more than likely going to get a very fair integration, plus some sort of fence protection. Not only that, but it's pretty obvious that the RAH payscales on the pending contract are an entirely different thing than the current payscale. The aircraft and the situation are nothing like the past.

At SWA the bottom 20% get an immediate flush to the unemployment line. That doesn't pay the bills. The rest won't see CA for years and are furlough fodder for everyone else there. SWA was already in a massive hiring freeze for nearly the past year, so all this talk of rapid growth at SWA may or may not be a mirage.

The SWA route could be good, but it certainly has it's potential pitfalls.
 

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Gary Kelly has got to be fuming right now. Good thing Herb retired a few years back because he would be smoking 3-4 cigs in each hand right about now...
 

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Only F9 guys can decide if their President is taking them down the correct path. If enough of the junior guys feel like it is them against the Captains then they need to do something and do it fast.
I don't feel we are going down the right path. Were looking at an opportunity of a lifetime and letting it slip away to be owned by a Jonathan Orienstein "Mesa" type regional. I'm against Republic and so is everyone I talk with @ F9... So, where is this path coming from? Is it a bluff, playing chicken at our expense.

Tell me please, what can we do?
 

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I would say let you reps know what you expect. I agree that SWA will buy F9. The question is when is the labor agreement going to be reached. Sooner then there is a good chance that we (SWA+F9) avoid any furloughs. Later and F9 guys are furloughed as the busses are retired. What you have to know is that the pilots of SWA will take care of SWA pilots. I cannot tell you where the line in the sand is, but we have and will further reduce line totals to keep people on property. This pilot group is not eager to throw our union brothers to the street. I look forward to working with the F9 and Lynx guys.
 

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I would say let you reps know what you expect. I agree that SWA will buy F9. The question is when is the labor agreement going to be reached. Sooner then there is a good chance that we (SWA+F9) avoid any furloughs. Later and F9 guys are furloughed as the busses are retired. What you have to know is that the pilots of SWA will take care of SWA pilots. I cannot tell you where the line in the sand is, but we have and will further reduce line totals to keep people on property. This pilot group is not eager to throw our union brothers to the street. I look forward to working with the F9 and Lynx guys.
That could not have been said better. I can almost guarantee that SWA will not furlough. Gary does not want that on his legacy and the SWA pilots would agree to have the lines less than 87 trips to keep there brothers on the property. JMO
 

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A simple staple will not be accepted, it would have to include furlough protection, longevity pay and at least a base protection for a predetermined time. The majority of the F9 Capt's think this deal is bad because they don't want to give up their left seat, while the F/O's would probably benefit more because of the pay increase, but not if they are in the unemployment line.:bomb:
 

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Honest question,

If you guys think F9 brings so much to the table, why do you think there would be a furlough after an integration?
 

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SWA said that 10 airbuses would go away on day 1, I believe. That would equal a furlough in my opinion.

I am not opposed to the staple job personally. I am already out of a job with no return in site so it doesn't not change my predicament in the short term.
 
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Sounds to me like FAPA needs to poll the entire group. WE are not talking Rocket Science here.....nor is that group that large that it couldn't be done.
 

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A simple staple will not be accepted, it would have to include furlough protection, longevity pay and at least a base protection for a predetermined time. The majority of the F9 Capt's think this deal is bad because they don't want to give up their left seat, while the F/O's would probably benefit more because of the pay increase, but not if they are in the unemployment line.:bomb:
That I do not think Gary would give that in writing unless SWAPA is willing to reduce line guarantee. The rest from what I understand,as of this afternoon, has been agreed upon w/ SWAPA. I truly wish you guys at F9 the best of luck.
 

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SWA said that 10 airbuses would go away on day 1, I believe. That would equal a furlough in my opinion.

I am not opposed to the staple job personally. I am already out of a job with no return in site so it doesn't not change my predicament in the short term.
As opposed to the entire airline going away? As stated before, SW is giving F9 this. This fails and they will bury F9 in DEN. Don't think they have the money to do it?
 
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