Falcon 900EX vs. G-IV SP

[rice]

And here is the kicker ...

How many Gulfstreams 4's ran of the end of the runway ? None.
How many F900 (or F50) ? Go look it up. Thats right. SINGLE engine thrust reverser. Any contaminated runway landing and those skinny tires on the Falcon make you slip and slide while your looking to stop it.
Hence quite a few flight departments left their Falcon 900 at the end of the runway and bought a Gulfstream 4 (or better).

That may cost you in fuel, but not in stopping power like from that one hair dryer engine in the middle on the Falcon
And without those slutty slats ....

Eric,
Why must you be such a tool???? As many here have shown, your G-IV data is inaccurate. Additionally, I challenge you to cite one instance where a DA-900 overran a runway where pilot error wasn't the primary cause of the event.
Yes, I will admit that Dassault's performance data does excessively penalize for contaminated (read icy) runways. But if one plans their arrival correctly then you would likely land at about 30,000 lbs. which equates to a Vref of 112 kts. Not difficult to get the plane stopped from that speed if you land within the touchdown zone. Also, while the T/R is not factored into the landing #'s, it is perfectly acceptable to use the T/R until completely stopped.

 

[LJ45]

http://www.jeff-betty.com/GIV-TEB/imagepages/image36.htm

dang, pretty far off the center line also!

 

[LegacyDriver]

The Embraer not only has way better brakes than the Falcon it is cheaper to operate, bigger, and more durable. As far as I'm concerned the Falcon is cheaply built and not particularly redundant. I will take two 3007s over three 731s. The Embraer will be flying while the Falcon is waiting for parts... The durability required by the ERJ to perform its mission makes your puny little purpose-built corporate jets look like windup toys. The Legacy is tougher, more reliable, and cheaper--and with a G-IV-sized cabin for the same cost as a Falcon 50. Like duh...

 

[LegacyDriver]

The ABS system on the Legacy alone is light years more advanced than the one on the Falcon (the Falcon's is twitchy because it makes dozens of adjustments a second; the EMBs is smooth because it makes 1000s of adjustments a second--this isn't "rocket surgery"). I can stand an EMB on its nose. Wet or dry, T/Rs or no T/Rs, the Embraer will stop better than the Falcon day in and day out.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Eric,
Why must you be such a tool???? As many here have shown, your G-IV data is inaccurate. Additionally, I challenge you to cite one instance where a DA-900 overran a runway where pilot error wasn't the primary cause of the event.
Yes, I will admit that Dassault's performance data does excessively penalize for contaminated (read icy) runways. But if one plans their arrival correctly then you would likely land at about 30,000 lbs. which equates to a Vref of 112 kts. Not difficult to get the plane stopped from that speed if you land within the touchdown zone. Also, while the T/R is not factored into the landing #'s, it is perfectly acceptable to use the T/R until completely stopped.

Agree.

While I dont think braking or power are the strongest traits of a DA900/731 Falcon, I really have concern over people who say they are difficult to fly or land. I cant imagine an easier plane to operate. I'd prefer TR's on icy runways yes, but I go with what Im given, and at times thats been a Falcon and guess what...it performed just fine.

Even the newest Falcons are simply that easy, minus typical buggy avionics issued shared with any Gxxx/GLEX etc that is brand new. Are any airplanes really that difficult for most of us?

In reality, most of us would be happy flying anything that had high QOL and paid well. Good luck with that on a Legacy/EMB POS. Please dont tell me about being able to make a whopping 90K flying in Saudi or F'n India or beautiful Jakarta. I will take my chances at a decent job with some Falcon/Gulfstream/GLEX time (115-200K+?) over that anyday...and yes, I will do it even if the Falcon is impossible to land in a crosswind....

Vive la France!!!

"Like, Duh"

 

[LegacyDriver]

Not me man. I will take lower pay and a Legacy any day of the week. Falcons are okay. Better than Cessnas any way. To me the Legacy itself is QOL. The airplane takes care of its crew better than anything I've flown so far. Other than a Lineage I don't imagine any other jet will do as well in that department and that is worth more than money to me. (And G200, I know half a dozen guys making well over $120K a year in the EMB here in the States--guys overseas do better still. That's a heck of a lot more than this non-Legacy pays me, and more than the Falcon did.)

 

[BoilerUP]

I will take lower pay and a Legacy any day of the week.

To me the Legacy itself is QOL. The airplane takes care of its crew better than anything I've flown so far. Other than a Lineage I don't imagine any other jet will do as well in that department and that is worth more than money to me.

Dear God, its unrequited love....for an airplane.

Also, ARG/US shows the Legacy 600 costs more to operate both per-hour DOC and trip expense over a 1000nm segment than any current 2000 or 900 series Falcon, and is only $30/hr less than the 7X, which beats the Legacy in trip expense over 1000nm by $300+.

But you're right, it does have shorter landing distances...

 

[2EASYPilot]

Not me man. I will take lower pay and a Legacy any day of the week. Falcons are okay. Better than Cessnas any way. To me the Legacy itself is QOL. The airplane takes care of its crew better than anything I've flown so far. Other than a Lineage I don't imagine any other jet will do as well in that department and that is worth more than money to me. (And G200, I know half a dozen guys making well over $120K a year in the EMB here in the States--guys overseas do better still. That's a heck of a lot more than this non-Legacy pays me, and more than the Falcon did.)

I assume this is all being said as a joke right....

 

[LegacyDriver]

No joke. When it is 120 degrees outside and I'm nice and comfortable in my Legacy cockpit vs sweating my a** off in a Falcon or Cessna the paycheck doesn't make up for the misery.
There is no way a 7X beats the EMB in operating cost. Gawd help you the first time something breaks on your Frogjet (and trust me it will).

 

[2EASYPilot]

No joke. When it is 120 degrees outside and I'm nice and comfortable in my Legacy cockpit vs sweating my a** off in a Falcon or Cessna the paycheck doesn't make up for the misery.
There is no way a 7X beats the EMB in operating cost. Gawd help you the first time something breaks on your Frogjet (and trust me it will).[/QUOT


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