Fake pilot on US J/S

[Dornier 335]

If this is true, it appears that the Easties have a hard time figuring out basic concepts, like Foreign pilots can't ride in US jumpseats, and binding arbitration is just that, binding. Just sayin!!!!

What about pilots screwing other pilots, like say ... PA and WA? Or DPA becoming a reality in the near future? Or a history of landing on a taxiway?

This place is a psychologist's wet dream! Pilots are all GAY!

 

[Bringupthebird]

Childish

Nope, childish is stomping off to form a fake union when you don't get your way.

 

[waveflyer]

Bird-
GL said it really well in regards to the Nic- it's dumb and it drags down all of us-

But they are pilots and YOU sound really unprofessional and new using this to go after them until you know without a doubt what the pilots did-

You're trying to discredit the east, but the opposite happens with your post

 

[waveflyer]

Nope, childish is stomping off to form a fake union when you don't get your way.

Which has nothing to do with the article you posted.

Absolutely nothing. Get a grip man-

Start here:
Problem 1: judging based on a media article.
Problem 2: judging an entire group based on one crew's actions.
Problem 3: pretending to judge the whole group based on this article when you ACTUALLY judge them for delaying Nic and forming USAPA -

Most of us agree with the actual judgment you make, so please don't undermine by playing games with it- the industry has suffered a lesser bargaining position for years based on what the east has done and holding onto their bk wages- we all know it- so relax and don't give yourself a heart attack over it

 

[General Lee]

What about pilots screwing other pilots, like say ... PA and WA? Or DPA becoming a reality in the near future? Or a history of landing on a taxiway?

This place is a psychologist's wet dream! Pilots are all GAY!

Who screwed who in this case? Both sides signed up for binding arbitration, along with the company signing on as well. Nobody screwed anyone there. Then, the agreed upon arbitrator gave an award. Tell me 335 who was screwed? Read the above and just looking at that, give me your answer. As far as Western and Pan Am go, did anyone there agree to binding arbitration in those SLI cases? If not, then that was their fault. That's like going through a DUI case without a lawyer, probably a bad outcome. When you sign up for it, along with the company, then you have to follow through. If not, you are considered a crybaby jackhole.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Which has nothing to do with the article you posted.

Absolutely nothing. Get a grip man-

Start here:
Problem 1: judging based on a media article.
Problem 2: judging an entire group based on one crew's actions.
Problem 3: pretending to judge the whole group based on this article when you ACTUALLY judge them for delaying Nic and forming USAPA -

Most of us agree with the actual judgment you make, so please don't undermine by playing games with it- the industry has suffered a lesser bargaining position for years based on what the east has done and holding onto their bk wages- we all know it- so relax and don't give yourself a heart attack over it

Wave, he is LIVING it. He has to go YEARS without an upgrade he was legally awarded, which also affects him, everyday. My friend in PHX could hold bus capt via the NIC award in CLT, but because of the ridiculous action by the Easties, he has to wait, while one of his kids starts college next year. So, give Bird a break, Nicolau thought he deserved a certain spot on the SLI, and it was TAKEN from him. He deserves to be mad, as do all of us. This act by the Easties has affected our whole pilot group, you and me included. Can we ever trust another pilot group in any arbitration? Are they crossing their fingers behind their backs? It will be great for all of us when the NIC is finally implemented.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

Great GL-
None of which has anything to do with the article

 

[Data]

The NIC award will prevail, and you will always be an idiot.


Bye Bye---General Les

I would argue that you are probably the least qualified on this board to accurately predict whether the Nic will be used or not used in the SLI. If your prediction on the outcome is anything like your 'we wont allow anymore 76 seaters' mantra of a few years back, well, we all now how that turned out.

 

[Dornier 335]

Wave, he is LIVING it. He has to go YEARS without an upgrade he was legally awarded, which also affects him, everyday. My friend in PHX could hold bus capt via the NIC award in CLT, but because of the ridiculous action by the Easties, he has to wait, while one of his kids starts college next year. So, give Bird a break, Nicolau thought he deserved a certain spot on the SLI, and it was TAKEN from him. He deserves to be mad, as do all of us. This act by the Easties has affected our whole pilot group, you and me included. Can we ever trust another pilot group in any arbitration? Are they crossing their fingers behind their backs? It will be great for all of us when the NIC is finally implemented.


Bye Bye---General Lee

So your friend hired you to post on this board? He can't speak for himself? Gee, I wonder how quickly I'd surpass you in total posts if I post stories about pilots who coulda shoulda woulda...

How exactly has the East affected you at DL? By repetitively posting the same pet argument? Taking away your life by gluing you to the screen displaying this bulletin board?

You got my sympathy. Look up, a heart! Just for you.

 

[Bringupthebird]

I am saying that the same callous disregard for abiding by an arbitrators ruling was evidenced in this crews disregard of jumpseat procedures, with the potential for far worse consequences. The east and their cheerleaders deny that there is a problem. I disagree.

I would imagine if Ted Reed had written this article, the crew would have been portrayed as shrewdly laying a trap for the would-be jumpseater and he fell for it by struggling with a jumpseat (which, however, he later occupied). Score another victory for those valiant flyboys!

Utter embarrassment!

 

[Ty Webb]

If not, you are considered a crybaby jackhole.


Bye Bye---General Lee

A crybaby jackhole? :laugh:

That's right up there with last week's winner- "bum nutts" :beer:

 

[aa73]

Was his name François Abagnale?

 

[General Lee]

So your friend hired you to post on this board? He can't speak for himself? Gee, I wonder how quickly I'd surpass you in total posts if I post stories about pilots who coulda shoulda woulda...

How exactly has the East affected you at DL? By repetitively posting the same pet argument? Taking away your life by gluing you to the screen displaying this bulletin board?

You got my sympathy. Look up, a heart! Just for you.

Of course you never answered my question to you about who actually got "screwed" after everyone signed up and agreed to Nicolau and the arbitration. Were they really screwed, or did they just not understand the idea of what binding arbitration could produce? Give an answer please. And my friend doesn't frequent these forums, thanks to the Easties, he has to work more to get ready to pay for his son's upcoming college tuition. Had the award stood, he'd rightfully be a Captain according to the binding award, and his stress level would be half what it is now. Makes sense.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Great GL-
None of which has anything to do with the article

Hey, you also lead bird and me into this discussion with your reply. Don't tell someone to "get a grip" when it affects them everyday. It might not for me, but I think the topic is very important, for all of us. This article is important too, but it looks like those pilots handled it correctly. Now if they could just see their wrongs towards the Westies as a group and then accept the award, I'd be done on this subject.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Dan Roman]

So when east pilot shoot holes in airplanes, throw tantrums because they couldn't start an APU, go off-roading at BDL, and now blow off j/s protocols, you think that's just being biased, eh? The east needs a wholesale overhaul of their attitudes and compliance with SOP based on their history.

Can any of them ever be held accountable for anything????

You're taking a couple isolated incidents and generalizing about the whole group. A sure sign of ignorance and in fact, much of what the east did to the west folks. It makes you just as ignorant as what was thrown at you. I have not been a fan of USAPA at all on here and think it is a blight on our profession, but if you really think the east pilots are somehow "inferior" to the west pilots you are dilusional and making a fool of yourself. Hard to say from a web board, but it appears you have let anger issues effect you more than you should.

 

[Sluggo_63]

Which has nothing to do with the article you posted.

Absolutely nothing. Get a grip man-

Start here:
Problem 1: judging based on a media article.
Problem 2: judging an entire group based on one crew's actions.
Problem 3: pretending to judge the whole group based on this article when you ACTUALLY judge them for delaying Nic and forming USAPA -

Most of us agree with the actual judgment you make, so please don't undermine by playing games with it- the industry has suffered a lesser bargaining position for years based on what the east has done and holding onto their bk wages- we all know it- so relax and don't give yourself a heart attack over it

I think the problem is that we see this lax jumpseat attitude too often. I don't offline jumpseat very often, but when I do, I am ready with my ID, license, and medical ready to show to the captain. I'd say 90% of the time, the captain takes a cursory glance at my ID and tells me "I don't need to see the rest of that..." I was always puzzed, but, whatever. I just think if you do any commuting, you've seen this act before, and you can invision a scenario where this imposter flashes a fake ID, looks ok, captain doesn't ask to see any other supporting documentation, and away we go...

Not assuming that's what happened here, but I can see it as a definite possibility.

 

[tomgoodman]

After being shown this FI thread, the impostor exclaimed: "Zeese are pilots? Sacre Bleu! I weesh I had faked being sometheeng else!"

 

[General Lee]

You're taking a couple isolated incidents and generalizing about the whole group. A sure sign of ignorance and in fact, much of what the east did to the west folks. It makes you just as ignorant as what was thrown at you. I have not been a fan of USAPA at all on here and think it is a blight on our profession, but if you really think the east pilots are somehow "inferior" to the west pilots you are dilusional and making a fool of yourself. Hard to say from a web board, but it appears you have let anger issues effect you more than you should.

Sorry Dan, but maybe you don't run into many Easties out there in HNL. Almost everyone of them to a tee thinks they are way inferior to the Westies. It is almost comical. Bird has every right to feel the way he does, he and the others are being raped. They were legally awarded an SLI, and for years they haven't moved up, haven't gotten a pay raise, nothing, all thanks to a group of crybabies . I think your own opinion Dan would change if you actually met one of them and asked them their opinion about their own merger.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[SKC]

Abagnale....Well played.

 

[jetjock6]

Only on FI could a thread about a fake pilot turn into a four page diatribe about east v west.