Longhorn
Evil Genius
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Flic1 said:Two professional pilots took off on the wrong runway at night with no runway lights. Could it have been caught by a controller? Sure. But you can't fault them for blatent pilot stupidity.
HoserASA said:What you say is true regarding the crew. But the controller is responsible for watching that plane takeoff too. If he had been doing that, the incident may have been prevented. I know what I'm talking about too.
Hoser
ASA CRJ Capt
Retired ATC
CatYaaak said:Airports under construction affecting ramps, taxiways, runways....very common
Charts and plates having lag-time before updated to reflect reality.....very common
Tower controller not being able to see T/O or landing traffic due to restricted visibility...... very common.
All three of these things existing at places we fly?.....very common.
Pilots operating safely, avoiding incidents and accidents when they exist?.....very, VERY common.
ATTCS said:The controller is responsible for separation of traffic. That is their main concern. HOWEVER, if the controller observes any unsafe condition germain to flight safety it is also their responsibility to notify any pilots that it may affect. Any time I cleared someone to land or takeoff I watched either the landing or takeoff. You'd be surprised what happens sometimes. I'm also a retired USAF controller and during the controller strike in '81 I worked at a FAA facility for 6 months. Not much difference.
Agreed, but remember, the lowest common denominator is out there somewhere flying around.CatYaaak said:We should be most concerned with our conduct, and what we can do to adjust to whatever outside imperfections come our way. They'll be coming our way our whole careers and no two situations are alike.
Wasted said:So should no attempt be made to correct these deficiencies then? Mountains and the ground are common too, aren't they? Thousands of planes fly over mountains and ground everyday safely. If they said the same thing about it twenty years ago, then nobody would have bothered to develop and pay for installing GPWS then. Nothing excuses not realizing you are on the wrong runway, but the controllable factors that increase the probability that someone could unwittingly do something like this need to be reduced as well.
transpac said:So, should the taxpayers hire additional controllers to make sure airplanes take off on the assigned runway? Better yet, put a controller on every jumpseat to read the number painted on the pavement to the crew. Maybe a controller should review the performance numbers and wt & bal too. Can't have too many sets of eyes checking things! Maybe the airlines could fund this.