FAA Simulation of CLT ATC runway incursion with PSA

[CX880]

Keep them in the kitchen. The pilatus pilots are just as much to blame as the cook, I mean controller

The male ground had the chance to catch the pilatues mistake when he went past his assigned taxiway but he did not, handing off the accident to the tower controller.

 

[Abernathy]

The male ground had the chance to catch the pilatues mistake when he went past his assigned taxiway but he did not, handing off the accident to the tower controller.

I don't see how any of that is a factor. The tower controllers cleared an aircraft for takeoff at one end of the runway while clearing another airplane for an intersection position and hold. Even if he missed the taxiway, he was still cleared into position at an intersection. And he was supposed to be at an intersection for takeoff to begin with.

 

[DAS at 10/250]

Sarasota, FL, March 9, 2000. Pilatus crew obviously never read this report.

 

[IBNAV8R]

the pilatus guy missed the taxiway he started the event. the female and male controllers were not paying attention

The Pilatus exactly did exactly as he was told. Clearly, the controller(s) screwed up. Still, there were several people that COULD have caught this. Thankfully, no one was hurt.

 

[JumpersAway]

With the slope of the runway, the low profile of the -200, and the opposing angle the Pilatus entered the runway at, it's no suprise to me that neither party saw each other.

The pilatus pilot may have cleared right, but with the angle he was at, probably saw nothing but a few feet of runway off his right shoulder- seeing mostly the right seat and sidewall beside him.............

Absolutely not the crews fault in any way, shape, or form- clearly controller error, in my opinion. Kudos to the PSA Captain for the well executed evasive maneuver. I'm curious how much time he and the F/O got off after that to settle down: )

 

[hspjmr]

Quit acting like children and quit playing the blaming game (he said, she said, it's his fault, it's her fault...). The whole point behind the simulation is not to blame people for their mistakes. Instead it's meant for us to learn from their mistakes. This could have happen to anyone. Be a professional and learn from the mistakes made in this simulation.

Fly Safe

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Quit acting like children and quit playing the blaming game (he said, she said, it's his fault, it's her fault...). The whole point behind the simulation is not to blame people for their mistakes. Instead it's meant for us to learn from their mistakes. This could have happen to anyone. Be a professional and learn from the mistakes made in this simulation.

Fly Safe

Exactly.

 

[Flyin2low]

I'm curious how much time he and the F/O got off after that to settle down: )

PSA gave them -no- time off. They taxied back and took off.

Later when the FSDO wanted to present them with an award, PSA cut their overnite short and deadheaded them out after 8 hours rest. Then they had to re-join their trip.

PSA is such a great company uke:

 

[Moustache]

the pilatus guy missed the taxiway he started the event. the female and male controllers were not paying attention

No he didn't......he waqs told to taxi and hold short of 18l at A

 

[Moustache]

Quit acting like children and quit playing the blaming game (he said, she said, it's his fault, it's her fault...). The whole point behind the simulation is not to blame people for their mistakes. Instead it's meant for us to learn from their mistakes. This could have happen to anyone. Be a professional and learn from the mistakes made in this simulation.

Fly Safe

A true liberal........blame situations, not people.....personal responsibility is dead in this country!!!

 

[hspjmr]

A true liberal........blame situations, not people.....personal responsibility is dead in this country!!!

Wait, are we in high school here? What does this have to do with politics?:laugh: Did the FAA make the simulation to point out who was personally responsibile? I don't think so. The FAA made this as a learning tool. If all you can get out of this simulation is a person or a group of people to blame, than I'm sorry for you. Also, I hope I never have to fly with you and I hope you don't fly for my airline.

Once again, be a professional and learn from this. Use the simulation to make yourself a better pilot. Otherwise, what's the point?

Fly Safe

 

[bailout]

No he didn't......he waqs told to taxi and hold short of 18l at A

Uh, thats exactly what he did.. WTF are u talking about?

 

[XJdriver]

From AIM,
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4-3-10. Intersection Takeoffs​

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c. Pilots should state their position on the airport
when calling the tower for takeoff from a runway
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Cleveland
Tower, Apache Three Seven Two Two Papa, at
the intersection of taxiway Oscar and runway two three​

right, ready for departure.


Tower should state what intersection you are at when they give a position and hold or take-off instruction. The pilot should also say what intersection they are departing from.

If either the tower or the intersection aircraft would have followed procedures someone would have thought (oh sh**) there is a problem here.

The link in the chain of events should have been broken much earlier. I am just glad no one was hurt.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Wait, are we in high school here? What does this have to do with politics?:laugh: Did the FAA make the simulation to point out who was personally responsibile? I don't think so. The FAA made this as a learning tool. If all you can get out of this simulation is a person or a group of people to blame, than I'm sorry for you. Also, I hope I never have to fly with you and I hope you don't fly for my airline.

Once again, be a professional and learn from this. Use the simulation to make yourself a better pilot. Otherwise, what's the point?

Fly Safe

Ding ding ding. We haaaave a winnah!

 

[BoilerUP]

All pilots can use this as a glaring example of why its important to PAY ATTENTION to what is going on around you at all times, especially when you're doing an intersection departure from a busy airline hub.