FAA Simulation of CLT ATC runway incursion with PSA

[hspjmr]

Quit acting like children and quit playing the blaming game (he said, she said, it's his fault, it's her fault...). The whole point behind the simulation is not to blame people for their mistakes. Instead it's meant for us to learn from their mistakes. This could have happen to anyone. Be a professional and learn from the mistakes made in this simulation.

Fly Safe

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Quit acting like children and quit playing the blaming game (he said, she said, it's his fault, it's her fault...). The whole point behind the simulation is not to blame people for their mistakes. Instead it's meant for us to learn from their mistakes. This could have happen to anyone. Be a professional and learn from the mistakes made in this simulation.

Fly Safe

Exactly.

 

[Flyin2low]

I'm curious how much time he and the F/O got off after that to settle down: )

PSA gave them -no- time off. They taxied back and took off.

Later when the FSDO wanted to present them with an award, PSA cut their overnite short and deadheaded them out after 8 hours rest. Then they had to re-join their trip.

PSA is such a great company uke:

 

[Moustache]

the pilatus guy missed the taxiway he started the event. the female and male controllers were not paying attention

No he didn't......he waqs told to taxi and hold short of 18l at A

 

[Moustache]

Quit acting like children and quit playing the blaming game (he said, she said, it's his fault, it's her fault...). The whole point behind the simulation is not to blame people for their mistakes. Instead it's meant for us to learn from their mistakes. This could have happen to anyone. Be a professional and learn from the mistakes made in this simulation.

Fly Safe

A true liberal........blame situations, not people.....personal responsibility is dead in this country!!!

 

[hspjmr]

A true liberal........blame situations, not people.....personal responsibility is dead in this country!!!

Wait, are we in high school here? What does this have to do with politics?:laugh: Did the FAA make the simulation to point out who was personally responsibile? I don't think so. The FAA made this as a learning tool. If all you can get out of this simulation is a person or a group of people to blame, than I'm sorry for you. Also, I hope I never have to fly with you and I hope you don't fly for my airline.

Once again, be a professional and learn from this. Use the simulation to make yourself a better pilot. Otherwise, what's the point?

Fly Safe

 

[bailout]

No he didn't......he waqs told to taxi and hold short of 18l at A

Uh, thats exactly what he did.. WTF are u talking about?

 

[XJdriver]

From AIM,
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4-3-10. Intersection Takeoffs​

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c. Pilots should state their position on the airport
when calling the tower for takeoff from a runway
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Cleveland
Tower, Apache Three Seven Two Two Papa, at
the intersection of taxiway Oscar and runway two three​

right, ready for departure.


Tower should state what intersection you are at when they give a position and hold or take-off instruction. The pilot should also say what intersection they are departing from.

If either the tower or the intersection aircraft would have followed procedures someone would have thought (oh sh**) there is a problem here.

The link in the chain of events should have been broken much earlier. I am just glad no one was hurt.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Wait, are we in high school here? What does this have to do with politics?:laugh: Did the FAA make the simulation to point out who was personally responsibile? I don't think so. The FAA made this as a learning tool. If all you can get out of this simulation is a person or a group of people to blame, than I'm sorry for you. Also, I hope I never have to fly with you and I hope you don't fly for my airline.

Once again, be a professional and learn from this. Use the simulation to make yourself a better pilot. Otherwise, what's the point?

Fly Safe

Ding ding ding. We haaaave a winnah!

 

[BoilerUP]

All pilots can use this as a glaring example of why its important to PAY ATTENTION to what is going on around you at all times, especially when you're doing an intersection departure from a busy airline hub.

 

[DC8Driver]

PSA gave them -no- time off. They taxied back and took off.

Later when the FSDO wanted to present them with an award, PSA cut their overnite short and deadheaded them out after 8 hours rest. Then they had to re-join their trip.

PSA is such a great company uke:

Then quit..............Problem solved.

 

[ex j-41]

Then quit..............Problem solved.

Such a stupid, ignorant comment.

 

[Metro752]

 

[Rally]

Sarasota, FL, March 9, 2000. Pilatus crew obviously never read this report.

I flew by that about 30 minutes after it happened while towing a banner. What a mess.

 

[BrownStreak]

I'm going to have to put most of the blame on the PC12 guy. Yes, the lady in the tower (who I've noticed gets into the weeds fairly often but usually manages) screwed up, but who's flying the d@mn airplane? The part of the recording that scared me the most is when the proximity alert went off you could hear the guy in the background yelling and she went Walt Disney. While a CRJ200 is small, it's got lots of lights, all of which were on, and that guy in the PC12 should be extra vigilent knowing there are airliners whizzin by him at 120 kts before taking the runway. It's normal there, he should have known better. Kudos to the PSA crew, both good guys, who reacted quickly and saved it by a hair.
BTW the controller was "retrained" and back in the tower cab within a few days...got to love the gov't.

 

[kf4amu]

I'm going to have to put most of the blame on the PC12 guy. Yes, the lady in the tower (who I've noticed gets into the weeds fairly often but usually manages) screwed up, but who's flying the d@mn airplane? The part of the recording that scared me the most is when the proximity alert went off you could hear the guy in the background yelling and she went Walt Disney. While a CRJ200 is small, it's got lots of lights, all of which were on, and that guy in the PC12 should be extra vigilent knowing there are airliners whizzin by him at 120 kts before taking the runway. It's normal there, he should have known better. Kudos to the PSA crew, both good guys, who reacted quickly and saved it by a hair.
BTW the controller was "retrained" and back in the tower cab within a few days...got to love the gov't.

If you fly into CLT often you know there is a hump in runway 18L when it crosses 23. 2 Aircraft very low to the ground like a CRJ and a GA aircraft may preclude them from seeing each other if they are on opposite sides of that hump.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Such a stupid, ignorant comment.

Not really. If everyone who felt they were being mistreated quit their jobs, people wouldn't be mistreated as much. The company needs pilots. If they don't go to the crappy company, or quit when the company consistently behaves badly, the crappy company goes out of business.

Which brings me to my next point...

Mesa Sucks.

 

[JAFI]

Above all - - SEE and BE SEEN - - -

I was siting in a Large turbojet carrier jump seat that was holding short when the Captain turns to me mad and wants to know "Why do those regional aircraft (he used other terms I won't use here) sit on the runway with all their lights on? I said "They don't like it when 737's land on top of them" (remember LAX a couple years ago). He did not talk to me the rest of the flight...... But I bet he knows why all the lights.......