FAA Set to Raise Retirement Age

[GuppyWN]

So what you're saying is it's all about the money?

Gup

August 1, 2025

Dear Herb,

Love ya mean it send the final check to the Virgin Islands. Thanks for the memories. I can't tell you how much I enjoyed the past 28 years. I'll never forget the first time I stepped into a Red Bellied War Machine. I've had my fun - now it's time for the next generation to enjoy a little Southwest Hospitality.

If you need to reach me I'll be in D.C. blitzing to get this age discrimination abolished so I can come back but for now I'll be on the boat.

Thanks again,
Gup

 

[B727Driver]

C150....and those who retire today? go on...

 

[Ben Franklin]

FAA Set to Raise
Retirement Age
For Pilots to 65

By ANDY PASZTOR
December 11, 2006; Page A3

The Federal Aviation Administration, moving away from its longstanding policy that airline pilots must retire at age 60, wants to let them work in the cockpit as many as five years longer, according to industry and government officials.
The agency's emerging support for raising the mandatory retirement age to 65 comes as foreign airlines and regulators are adopting similar changes. If left unchanged, the current rules over the next decade will require thousands of passenger and cargo commercial pilots -- some projections total more than 30,0000 aviators -- to retire at age 60, regardless of their health, according to industry officials.

... and all aviators under the age of 23 will still not be able to obtain their ATP certificate - regardless of their knowledge or skill.

hypocrisy knows no bounds.


Sincerely,

B. Franklin

 

[oldxfr8dog]

That table isn't accident rates, it's deadly accidents. Big difference.

OK, check out this link.
http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/98.010.PDF

 

[Flopgut]

I started like everyone else, day one. Paid my dues and took my turn when it came up. I also progressed observing those who turned 60 that did not retire with $X,XXX,XXX in their portfolio. Circumstances encountered by the industry we all work in did not workout in their favor. Would have been nice to see them have the opportunity to earn a little more while they still could.

I'm not trying to be too hard on you old timer, but I have to take issue further. How about you write those retirees a check? No different than what you want every junior pilot to do for you!

My airline pilot father lost a fully funded pension in his late 40s, and lost his Class 1 at 53. I was 16, the oldest of four. We managed. I learned the hard way: You plan for the worst, you hope for the best. More than half the guys I fly with that want this age changed are 55+ and still have huge mortgages on huge houses, and all other manner of conspicuos consumption. Normally, this is none of my business. But since this crowd wants to get into my earnings, guess what? It's my business!

You want to tackle the big issues? Here's one: Pensions. Our overly regulated, "de-regulated" industry is more than deservant of a guaranteed pension just like the railroad gives. We more than meet the standards of being critical to the economy, and harshly treated by the same "robber barron" type CEOs. Every single pilot who puts in ten+ years FAR 121 flying, deserves some sort of pension that a mgt clown can't steal! Look into that would ya?

 

[B727Driver]

pension reform, couldn't agree more. As far as your earnings, it is their earnings too and this buys you time if you need it. Nice to have, may not use.

 

[LogbookSlave]

My question . . . If it's age discrimination to force retirement at age 60, wouldn't it still be discrimination to force retirement at age 65?

Seems that the age discrimination argument has no validity unless you argue for NO "Mandatory" retirement.

 

[Falconjet]

My question . . . If it's age discrimination to force retirement at age 60, wouldn't it still be discrimination to force retirement at age 65?

Seems that the age discrimination argument has no validity unless you argue for NO "Mandatory" retirement.

Pay the man Shirley.

FJ

 

[Flopgut]

pension reform, couldn't agree more. As far as your earnings, it is their earnings too and this buys you time if you need it. Nice to have, may not use.

Instead of APAAD, we should ALL be working together in Congress to get airline workers the same benefits railroaders have. It's pretty interesting. The total numbers seem to fall short of what an average majors retirement plan provides (if we even know what that really is anymore!). But the benefits are rock solid and include refined unemployment, full survivor benefits and early retirement eligibility.

 

[thor2j]

My question . . . If it's age discrimination to force retirement at age 60, wouldn't it still be discrimination to force retirement at age 65?

Seems that the age discrimination argument has no validity unless you argue for NO "Mandatory" retirement.

This is the truest statement yet....You can't have it both ways guys. If it is about age discrimination, and it is your God given right to work until whenever you want, then there should not be an mandatory retirement age. How do you justify jumping up and down yelling "Age discrimination-Age Discrimination" yet you are setting an age of 65??? Face it, just like us younger guys, it's all about the money. Plain and simple. We won't claim you are more dangerous as long as you don't claim age discrimination any more!

 

[ferlo]

Why should we give up our seniority, vacation, our livelihood? Leave a career at the top to start at the bottom of a frac? A charter company? Leave it all behind based on a policy that has no basis. What kind of crack are you smoking? Some of us love our career and will do what it takes to keep it. You will have your chance, patience schoolboy. By the way, have you typed up your letter of resignation/retirement yet? Be sure to date it correctly. I'd hate to see you fly past 60, you incompetent safety hazard.

With regards to the examples of age discrimination listed above, starting working on changing them if you feel they are important to you. If not, live with them. We choose to change. Change is good.

Clearly you love your career. I mean, to have 7000+ hours after a "lifetime" of flying? Wow, talk about some real experience. Thank God you'll be at the controls for 5 more years, maybe then you'll have as much time as somebody half your age.

 

[Hank Hill]

I have the perfect solution - let's go ahead and raise the age limit....when I'm 59.

 

[tomdav]

I say no age limit and eveyone gets to come back with full seniority!


Or the other option, we start serving soylent green crew meals.

 

[Sig]

soylent green[/COLOR] crew meals.

They're PEOPLE! Crew members are PEOPLE!

... wait, you meant crew meals. Sorry. Wrong radical thought.

 

[$$$4nothin]

To Whom it May Concern,
I appreciate all the years that I was able to fly for a liveing. This is my official resignation. Don't try to get in touch with me, as I don't get reception on the boat, and I don't bring my phone to the course with me.
Sincerely,
Age 60
June 10, 2041

I would gladly write this letter and send it to whomever it needed to be sent to if it meant keeping the retirement age at 60.

It's not my fault you didn't save and prepare wisely. Stop F-ing with my money and retire.

 

[Mach 80]

>>>I would gladly write this letter and send it to whomever it needed to be sent to if it meant keeping the retirement age at 60.<<<

So retire at 60. Do what you want. You don't need to send a letter. You can even retire at 35, 45, or 50. But don't tell me what to do or when to retire.

 

[AA717driver]

It's not my fault you didn't save and prepare wisely. Stop F-ing with my money and retire.

That's the point. None of those who lost their pensions had any indication that it could happen. How can you prepare for an eventuality that is inconceivable?

I assume you're saving money to be able to pay the 10-fold increase in payroll taxes to keep SSI alive in 10 years? Even I can see that one coming. TC

 

[BoilerUP]

I assume you're saving money to be able to pay the 10-fold increase in payroll taxes to keep SSI alive in 10 years? Even I can see that one coming.

That's depressing, TC.

I was looking forward to Bush's plan to privatize SS. I'd much rather have kept that money in my paycheck and put it into a Roth than pay it out the next 40+ years of my life. I'll probably never see a dime of SS...

 

[LarryinTN]

[FONT=verdana,arial]older drivers generally become more conservative on the road.[/FONT]

Is that what you call it when they drive 35mph in a 50mph zone?

 

[m80drvr]

Why should we give up our seniority, vacation, our livelihood? Leave a career at the top to start at the bottom of a frac? A charter company? Leave it all behind based on a policy that has no basis. What kind of crack are you smoking? Some of us love our career and will do what it takes to keep it. You will have your chance, patience schoolboy. By the way, have you typed up your letter of resignation/retirement yet? Be sure to date it correctly. I'd hate to see you fly past 60, you incompetent safety hazard.

With regards to the examples of age discrimination listed above, starting working on changing them if you feel they are important to you. If not, live with them. We choose to change. Change is good.

You got your great career because the guys in front of you had to go at 60. They AND you knew the rules when decided to fly 121 and not 91 or 135. The hipocracy in this age 60 arguement is just down right funny.