FAA Says It Will Take Action on Flight and Duty Time Limitations

[buscap]

Best be careful what we wish for folks. The Colgan accident had nothing to do with the rest and duty rules, as they are written.

The form of new regulation, if it were to actually address the issues brought to light by Colgan, would involve harder checkrides, stripping unions of the power to advocate for pilots after a bust, even though the union was not on property to defend this guy, and a high level of regulation regarding what and where we are allowed to be during rest. As far as the rest regulations, the precedent exists with the 8 hour beer rule, intruding into our non-duty lives.

I can easily imagine the industry associations getting behind such measures, because the bottom line would not be affected. Commuting would become illegal within a defined window. Pilots would continue to do so, but a blown tire investigation could easily put a commuter's certificate at risk.

As far as the pay issues; yeah, right. Raises for us all!!!

 

[pilotyip]

Best be careful what we wish for folks. The Colgan accident had nothing to do with the rest and duty rules, as they are written.

The form of new regulation, if it were to actually address the issues brought to light by Colgan, would involve harder checkrides, stripping unions of the power to advocate for pilots after a bust, even though the union was not on property to defend this guy, and a high level of regulation regarding what and where we are allowed to be during rest. As far as the rest regulations, the precedent exists with the 8 hour beer rule, intruding into our non-duty lives.

I can easily imagine the industry associations getting behind such measures, because the bottom line would not be affected. Commuting would become illegal within a defined window. Pilots would continue to do so, but a blown tire investigation could easily put a commuter's certificate at risk.

As far as the pay issues; yeah, right. Raises for us all!!!

Nice touch of airline reality 101, unusual to see on FI

 

[buscap]

Nice touch of airline reality 101, unusual to see on FI

Continuous Duty Overnight schedule for June.

Forced Sobriety.

 

[CRJ Driver]

Best be careful what we wish for folks. The Colgan accident had nothing to do with the rest and duty rules, as they are written.

The form of new regulation, if it were to actually address the issues brought to light by Colgan, would involve harder checkrides, stripping unions of the power to advocate for pilots after a bust, even though the union was not on property to defend this guy, and a high level of regulation regarding what and where we are allowed to be during rest. As far as the rest regulations, the precedent exists with the 8 hour beer rule, intruding into our non-duty lives.

I can easily imagine the industry associations getting behind such measures, because the bottom line would not be affected. Commuting would become illegal within a defined window. Pilots would continue to do so, but a blown tire investigation could easily put a commuter's certificate at risk.

As far as the pay issues; yeah, right. Raises for us all!!!

What does the union have to do with a check ride bust? You screw up in the sim, you bust, there's nothing the union can do to change that.

The "Union" you refer to you can thank them for many safety related items. The FAA did not come up with these ideas. The Union: ALPA.

 

[buscap]

What does the union have to do with a check ride bust? You screw up in the sim, you bust, there's nothing the union can do to change that.

The "Union" you refer to you can thank them for many safety related items. The FAA did not come up with these ideas. The Union: ALPA.

My post is not a slam on the union. My point is the Union's ability to defend a pilot after a bust will most likely be curtailed. To me, this is a bad thing; part of the 'be careful what you wish for' thing.

Read the post before you jump my junk!!!

 

[rickair7777]

If Babbitt had fought for this as ALPA pres when the issue came up in the '90's, he wouldn't have to address it now.

He's in a much better position to get it done now after having infiltrated the FAA...guerrilla warfare if you will.

Ball's in his court...

 

[altimaklr]

The doom and gloom about everyone getting 10 days off etc is bs. Mainline carriers have been working under better rest rules for a LONG time and they still get 14/15/16 day off lines. Even Airtran has a max 12 hour duty day.

 

[xray678]

My post is not a slam on the union. My point is the Union's ability to defend a pilot after a bust will most likely be curtailed. To me, this is a bad thing; part of the 'be careful what you wish for' thing.

There should be no defending of the pilot after a bust. The role of the union in that case should simply be to ensure the pilot is treated fairly. Beyond that, if a pilot cannot pass a check ride, he/she should be gone. I am tired of the union protecting weak pilots who shoud be on the street.

 

[Raskal]

There should be no defending of the pilot after a bust. The role of the union in that case should simply be to ensure the pilot is treated fairly. Beyond that, if a pilot cannot pass a check ride, he/she should be gone. I am tired of the union protecting weak pilots who shoud be on the street.

It is frustrating the amount of time the "problem" pilots take up, isn't it?.

 

[Rekks Inbound]

There should be no defending of the pilot after a bust. The role of the union in that case should simply be to ensure the pilot is treated fairly. Beyond that, if a pilot cannot pass a check ride, he/she should be gone. I am tired of the union protecting weak pilots who shoud be on the street.

Then you have never had a checkride 'bust' where the check airman insisted your answers were wrong, when in your answers were correct. But under this possible new scenario, your career is done due to the incompetence of the check airman (pm me and I'll tell you about not 1 but 3 times this has happened to me personally. And no, I'm not whining, just stating facts). In the first case, the FAA actually saved my bacon, the second I lost, and the third the union did their job.

Peace.

Rekks

PS: That check airman on the third time was let go from the training department 1 month later after he struck a captain in the head during a checkride. No sh$t!

 

[gunfyter]

Because the rich have lots of money. This allowed NJ to overstaff to be able to meet customers expectations. Very few airline passengers are rich people, they want the cheapest ticket. More crew rest equals more crews for the same flying equals less pay for more pilots or less flying for fewer crews. As stated above it will probably mean more time on the road with less flying. In the end the consumer will dictate which airlines survive and it will be the one with th cheap tickets.

I think the MORE pilots per plane required ... the more pilots needed for every operation ...

the greater the demand for qualified pilots ... the greater the pay and benefits will be! as pilots become a relatively more scarce commodity. So much for the Demand side of the equation.

Another idea is increase the hassle and difficulty of obtaining pilot certificates more like Europe. Fewer people will persevere and this will control the supply side of the equation to greater pilot pay, benefits, and work rules.