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FAA Rest Rules: FATIGUE: Impact of Requiring Pilot to Sign RELEASE to Indicate Rested

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http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/rulemaking/recently_published/media/FAA_2010_22626.pdf

p130:
"§ 117.5 Fitness for duty.
(a) Each flightcrew member must report for any flight duty period rested and
prepared to perform his or her assigned duties.
(b) No certificate holder may assign and no flightcrew member may accept
assignment to a flight duty period if the flightcrew member has reported for a flight duty
period too fatigued to safely perform his or her assigned duties or if the certificate holder
believes that the flightcrew member is too fatigued to safely perform his or her assigned
duties.
(c) No certificate holder may permit a flightcrew member to continue a flight
duty period if the flightcrew member has reported himself too fatigued to continue the
assigned flight duty period.
(d) Any person who suspects a flightcrew member of being too fatigued to
perform his or her duties during flight must immediately report that information to the
certificate holder.
(e) Once notified of possible flightcrew member fatigue, the certificate holder
must evaluate the flightcrew member for fitness for duty. The evaluation must be
conducted by a person trained in accordance with § 117.11 and must be completed before
the flightcrew member begins or continues an FDP.

(f) As part of the dispatch or flight release, as applicable, each flightcrew
member must affirmatively state he or she is fit for duty prior to commencing flight

...cont'd p131:
(g) Each certificate holder must develop and implement an internal evaluation
and audit program approved by the Administrator that will monitor whether flightcrew
members are reporting for FDPs fit for duty and correct any deficiencies."
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WOW. So does that mean the airlines will be relieved of (lawsuit) responsibilty and it will be 'blame/sue the pilot's family'?????

MUCH of this doc seems geared that way. Appears to have Air Transport Assoc & Ford & Harrison's dirty fingerprints all over it
 
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ALPA, APA, Teamsters and independent airline people should make a stand right now.

If this is going to happen, we need quiet floors, maids that don't knock repeatedly at 8:00AM even though the DND sign is on the door and since you got to the room 6 hours ago you are still sleeping for your 1100AM van...no high school soccer, swimming, baseball, etc parties in the hotels, no weddings, no fire alarms that go off for hours at a time (even when there is no fire), room phones are blocked and your personal cell phone is blocked from anyone other than who you choose during certain hours, reasonable and healthy food at the hotel, van rides that don't take 45 minutes...

I'll stop now, I could go on for hours...
 
ALPA, APA, Teamsters and independent airline people should make a stand right now.

If this is going to happen, we need quiet floors, maids that don't knock repeatedly at 8:00AM even though the DND sign is on the door and since you got to the room 6 hours ago you are still sleeping for your 1100AM van...no high school soccer, swimming, baseball, etc parties in the hotels, no weddings, no fire alarms that go off for hours at a time (even when there is no fire), room phones are blocked and your personal cell phone is blocked from anyone other than who you choose during certain hours, reasonable and healthy food at the hotel, van rides that don't take 45 minutes...

I'll stop now, I could go on for hours...

Keeping track of all your hotel requirements would be much easier for all involved than keeping track of all the variables in this FAA proposal/ document. Who is going to hire all the combo mathematician/computer programmer/aviation experts to build such a system? Who is going to track the accuracy of such a system in the pilots' unions?
 
So, not only will the TSA be on guard to smell your breath but now they will be looking for signs of fatigue? Crazy...
 
can't wait to see the crm module on this donkey excretion
 
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We get a great NPRM on flight/duty time, and you complain that you have to sign a release saying that you're not fatigued? Pilots are unbelievable sometimes. :rolleyes:
 
DAL has the PIC sign this sort of release how. It is printed right on the flight release. Not sure if one can judge the way they will fell 10-14 hr down the road.
 
WOW. So does that mean the airlines will be relieved of (lawsuit) responsibilty and it will be 'blame/sue the pilot's family'?????

MUCH of this doc seems geared that way. Appears to have Air Transport Assoc & Ford & Harrison's dirty fingerprints all over it

An FAA regulation doesn't relieve airlines from civil liability. In civil court the object is to determine responsibility. A pilot is a representative of an airline thus the airline is responsible for whatever stupid thing said pilot does, even if the company told the pilot not to do stupid things. Think of all the accidents where pilots made mistakes, in every case the company was held liable.

The other part of the equation is money. Lawyers have a special ability to smell it and go to where it is. Companies have money, pilots don't.
 

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