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Lance Uppercut

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Officials investigate an incident in which a landing aircraft nearly hit a plane that made a wrong turn on a taxiway Sunday.
By Jennifer Oldham, Times Staff Writer
May 12, 2007

A jumbo jet barreling down a runway at up to 100 mph at Los Angeles International Airport came as close as 50 feet to a turboprop on a nearby taxiway, officials said, in the latest such incident to point up safety concerns with the airfield's layout.

Virgin Atlantic Airways Flight 23 sped by while SkyWest Airlines Flight 1006 breached a safety zone that separates the outer runway on the airport's north side from a taxiway leading toward the terminals.

The incident at 6:35 p.m. Sunday occurred after a SkyWest pilot made a wrong turn during the evening rush hour, officials said Friday.

The Federal Aviation Administration preliminarily determined that the two arriving aircraft may have come within 50 feet of each other but emphasized that it was still investigating the incident.

However, a computer-assisted reconstruction of the incident developed by airport officials shows the larger jet's wing may have come as close as 21 feet to the smaller aircraft.

The Virgin Atlantic Airbus A340-600 was arriving from London's Heathrow Airport with 172 passengers and crew on board. A spokeswoman for the airline emphasized that the pilot "felt at no time that the safety of the passengers was in question."

A SkyWest spokeswoman said the airline was working with the FAA to determine if its pilot was at fault.

The incident is likely to be categorized as the most serious at LAX since Sept. 30, when two aircraft came so close to colliding on a runway that one rattled pilot could be heard hyperventilating on air traffic control tapes. Sunday's incident was the third such close call between aircraft on the ground at LAX this year.

Two of this year's close calls, Sunday's and one on Feb. 24, underscore long-standing safety issues with the airport's configuration. The unusual layout, which features two sets of parallel runways, requires pilots who land on an outer runway to use a series of taxiways to cross an inner runway.

Airport officials are spending $330 million to rework the two parallel runways on the airport's south side. After moving one 55 feet farther from the other, officials reopened the southernmost runway last month and began construction of a 1.8-mile-long taxiway between the two runways. When the project is finished next summer, pilots will stop on the taxiway after landing to await clearance to cross the inner runway.

The city's airport agency would like to install a similar center taxiway between the runways on the airport's north side. To do so, they are proposing pushing the outer runway closer to Westchester, a move that's opposed by airport neighbors and local and federal lawmakers who represent area residents.

Sunday's incident led agency officials to reiterate their position that the north airfield must be reconfigured to prevent close calls between aircraft.

"We got lucky again," said Paul Haney, deputy executive director of airports and security for Los Angeles World Airports. "It doesn't happen often, but when it does, the potential consequences are catastrophic."

The close call occurred after the SkyWest Embraer Brasilia landed on the outer runway and was instructed by an air traffic controller to turn left onto a taxiway. The Virgin Atlantic jet was in the air three miles behind the turboprop and closing fast. But stiff winds gusting to 33 mph slowed the smaller plane, which was arriving on a repositioning flight from Redding with only the two pilots aboard.

"SkyWest 1006, keep it rolling, please," the frustrated controller can be heard on air traffic control tapes, urging the pilot along. "Turn left off the runway."

"We're turning left," the SkyWest pilot replied.

Seconds later, the controller watched the pilot turn onto the wrong taxiway and stated the mistake on the radio, but did not ask him to turn around. The taxiways, known as Zulu and Yankee, are linked together off the outer runway in a wishbone configuration. The pilot made a hairpin turn onto Yankee although he had been instructed by the controller to use Zulu.

After the controller stated that the plane was on the wrong taxiway, the pilot spun the aircraft around and taxied back toward the runway, leading the controller to tell him to "stop right there."

A second controller yelled "Go around! Go around!" to the Virgin Atlantic jet, just as an audible alarm went off on a collision avoidance system in the control tower. But it was too late to abort the landing, officials said.

The controller then told the SkyWest pilot to make a sharp left turn onto Zulu, where he was originally instructed to go, and he did, officials said.

The turboprop was driving out of the safety zone that separates the taxiway from the runway as the Virgin jet sped by. It's likely that the Virgin jet's long wing was hanging several dozen feet into the safety zone, officials said.

"If there's a mitigating circumstance here," said Ian Gregor, an FAA spokesman, "it's that SkyWest was rolling away from the runway rather than getting closer."

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/l...ll=la-headlines-california&ctrack=2&cset=true

I bet ALPA would of prevented this.:p
 
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After the controller stated that the plane was on the wrong taxiway, the pilot spun the aircraft around and taxied back toward the runway, leading the controller to tell him to "stop right there."

That just might hurt the crew in this investigation, I wonder why they did this?

Good luck guys...
 
That sucks. One of my biggest fears is to be involved in something similar to this.

This thread has obvious union undertones to it, but for these guy's sake, I wish they had representation. As atlcrjdriver said above....good luck.
 
On a much lighter note, I did a go around the other day in Atlanta because a Skywest crew did not exit off on either the high speeds on 27L. Then the next day, I hear over the radio that another aircraft was sent around because of a Skywest crew did not clear the runway in time.

I'm sure as hell not wonder pilot, just making a point we all need to be thinking about the big picture and not just the one in front of us.
 
I think a pay raise should solve the problem. Why do a 180? Sounds logical for a one year upgrader.
 
I like how the article says he was "barreling down the runway"
...media:rolleyes:
 
Why is this talking about Sunday the 12th of May when it is 1155 Eastern on the 11th of May?!?!?! I have "1.21 gigawatts" of power to sell you.
 
Why is this talking about Sunday the 12th of May when it is 1155 Eastern on the 11th of May?!?!?! I have "1.21 gigawatts" of power to sell you.

The story came out Sunday the 12th. The incident happened Sunday the 6th.
 
That sucks for the crew. I'll say one thing though: landing 24r, lax controllers always expect brazil's best to make the reverse at Y. they actually get qiute peeved if you miss it. I wonder just how clear it was for the crew that they were REQUIRED to take Z this time. I guess this goes to show that it's a slippery slope trying to help out ATC too much.

and those runways are f'ing close when there's a heavy on the parallel. we had to go around once last year because we were sequenced behing a Thai a340 stretch, and even with the required separation we could see the dust swirls from thewingtip vortex on the lee side move across the grass and ON our runway...
 
That sucks for the crew. I'll say one thing though: landing 24r, lax controllers always expect brazil's best to make the reverse at Y. they actually get qiute peeved if you miss it. I wonder just how clear it was for the crew that they were REQUIRED to take Z this time. I guess this goes to show that it's a slippery slope trying to help out ATC too much.
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ATC probably told them as they were touching down and a little busy with flying the plane

Last I heard when you are cleared to land you get the WHOLE runway for as long as you need it. Yeah, it helps everyone out to hurry up and get off the runway. If the skywest crew never fully cleared the runway, then this is ATC's fault for allowing 2 aircraft on the runway. If the skywest flight crossed the hold bars then turned around and re-entered the runway, then they're screwed, but it doesn't sound like they fully cleared.

I don't agree with making a 180 without asking ATC first. That may come back to haunt them.
 
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