F/A's call for nationwide strike

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

Doesn't matter whether you agree. Matters whether a judge agrees.

If there is no longer a contract, they can walk all day long. If you quit your job , you think some judge will be able to tell you you can't? I don't think so.

 

[MW44]

I remember reading that Alpa called for an SOS strike once in the past. Basically a nationwide strike. Am I wrong on this one?

 

[N8Dogg]

I hope the flight attendants understand that they are even more expendable than the pilots. In a matter of weeks there could be a new batch on line. This industry really is going to he!!.

 

[General Lee]

Maybe this could clear out the old hags....



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FDJ2]

. . with AMR 757 pilots agreeing to work for less than AirTran 737 Captains!

AMR 757 CA 12 year pay is $164/hr, how much does a 12 year Airtran 737 CA make?

 

[FDJ2]

Maybe. But the issue is a "Nationwide" strike---that's basically impossible.

You'll also note that the first time a workforce votes to certify a union, there's also no CBA (because it has yet to be negotiated)---yet the new union chapter has no right to strike. So it's not a foregone conclusion that no CBA means no strike. In fact, the situation has never been tested.

Not necessarily true. Once a union is certified on the property and either the union or the airline submit a section six letter, even if there is no current CBA, the RLA is controlling and neither side can seek self help until either an agreement is reached or they are released from negotiations. In the interim both sides must maintain status quo.

 

[Ty Webb]

AMR 757 CA 12 year pay is $164/hr, how much does a 12 year Airtran 737 CA make?

737-800 at 12th yr pay is $172.40. There are no -800's on the property yet, but when they get here, that is the rate. If you are wondering about the -700, it pays $152.47

I think the comparison is valid, and it was not intended to disparage the AMR pilots; only to show how things have devolved in the industry.

 

[CatYaaak]

The Song "talent" or stews could walk the line, since they are younger, more fun, and sassy. (unlike any of the mainline stews)



Bye Bye--General Lee

Aren't Delta F/As non-union, so this doesn't apply to your airline anyway? Too bad, I'd enjoy seeing those "old hags" you never miss a chance to publicly demean and seem to revile ground your a$$.

No doubt your beef with the senior mamas is that they aren't young enough to automatically impressed with your pilot status, and "no fun" because they don't fall for your worn-out pilot practical jokes. And "sassy"?....jeez, next you will be telling us "I like 'em spunky".

Good thing you'e not in a position to actually deal with paying customers, and remain locked behind the cockpit door. You can't even treat your colleagues and fellow crewmembers with respect if they don't go out of their way to stroke your ego. No doubt your attitude would "shine through" to the ones ultimately paying your salary too.

 

[General Lee]

Cattayyack,


Ha ha. I don't interact with passengers? How do you know? Sure I do. Especially with the Song stews and the passengers. They are all really nice, and that is why I talk with them a lot, and that blends over to the passengers too. Most of the mainline stews are older, and burned out. Sad but true---you should know---you willingly fly us all the time to Europe. Why doesn't your boss chip in for first class or business elite? You aren't worth it? I thought so.

This business depends on front line employees. We pilots aren't really on the front line (face to face) all of the time with pax, primarily because we have things we need to be doing in the cockpit. But, I try to always say hi to as many people as possible and I always say goodbye, especially after my great landings. Our regular front line employees, like the stews, need to be more aware of customer service and their own appearance, and most mainline stews can't cut the mustard. But, the Song stews do a better job for sure.

And, I don't need anyone to stroke my ego. I enjoy my job and that shows. Also, you are right, our stews don't have any union, which helps the company out a lot, but $crews the stews over regularly. That's what you get when you don't want to pay union dues.... Thanks again for flying us sooo often to Europe. Good----day.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[katanabob]

No doubt your beef with the senior mamas is that they aren't young enough to automatically impressed with your pilot status, and "no fun" because they don't fall for your worn-out pilot practical jokes. And "sassy"?....jeez, next you will be telling us "I like 'em spunky".

And I was under the impression that there wasn't anyone who preferred flying with uneducated, semi-literate, overweight, overbearing, trowel-makeuped, thrice exed, great-grandmothers who lack not only the capacity to carry on a coherent conversation or fit through an emergency exit but also the ability to perform any real service to anyone besides the cashier at McDonald's whose very $5.15 an hour is dependant upon their patronage.

You're probably pissed off when you get a hot one at Hooters, too.

 

[General Lee]

Catyaak obviously likes them plump. His "Mrs." at home is probably like that. He flies on us to Europe because they all remind him of her. How sweeeeeet. Wait, what was that noise? I think I just laid a huge fart.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[CatYaaak]

Cattayyack,
---you should know---you willingly fly us all the time to Europe. Why doesn't your boss chip in for first class or business elite? You aren't worth it? I thought so...

....Thanks again for flying us sooo often to Europe. Good----day.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Mercifully, it's not "all the time", or "sooo often". It's just that a few times, or even once for that matter, is "too often". And of course, it's never, ever "willingly". I've ridden in your bus elite, btw, and frankly, it doesn't measure up to any standard of int'l travel, nor does your equipment, and my boss treats me more than fine. Good luck in becoming the RJ-fed long-haul carrier you think is the solution to your money-losing problems.

But to clear matters up, I've never actually ridden on a ticket purchased from Delta, but rather Air France, and win the booby prize sometimes as a victim of codeshare. How sad that the Skyfrogs are preferable.

 

[freightdogfred]

Mercifully, it's not "all the time", or "sooo often". It's just that a few times, or even once for that matter, is "too often". And of course, it's never, ever "willingly". I've ridden in your bus elite, btw, and frankly, it doesn't measure up to any standard of int'l travel, nor does your equipment, and my boss treats me more than fine. Good luck in becoming the RJ-fed long-haul carrier you think is the solution to your money-losing problems.

But to clear matters up, I've never actually ridden on a ticket purchased from Delta, but rather Air France, and win the booby prize sometimes as a victim of codeshare. How sad that the Skyfrogs are preferable.

Freightdog slowly enters the room, gingerly stepping around the piles of poop that have been flung around the room...Recalling a scene from "When Mars attacks" he ponders-- "Why can't we all just get along?"

 

[TonyC]

Catyaak obviously likes them plump. His "Mrs." at home is probably like that. He flies on us to Europe because they all remind him of her. How sweeeeeet. Wait, what was that noise? I think I just laid a huge xxxx.



Bye Bye--General Lee

And so it was that the Delta ambassador from Hazzard County stooped to a new low.

 

[Boeingman]

Seems to me the FA union has more guts then ALPA. If there was ever a call for an SOS it should be over the rape of our retirements. With the NLRB and all..................moot point but still I'd like to hear some more noise for my dues then what I'm seeing today.

 

[enigma]

What happened to the capitalistic "what the market will bear"? It goes both ways. If labor says "we quit" and it folds the company, then the market has spoken. And it has said: "these executives mismanaged this company so badly that it is no more."

Nothing more, nothing less.

Now were talkin.

densoo's got it. It doesn't matter whether the RLA/NLRB/NLMB, etc have any control over the case. If enough of the FA's all say @$%&* it! we're walking, the company can't fly, and the market will have spoken.

A I applaud the AFA for making the threat. Following thru on the threat could be virtual suicide for their jobs, but they will have gone down fighting. If the industry continues to deteriorate, they'll most likely all end up out of work anyway, so why NOT quit en-masse?

Quitting "en-masse" IS what were really talking about here. What they appear (to me) to be saying is, "if you take away our contracts, WE QUIT".

Now, does management really want to take the chance that they could be faced with massive group resignations? I don't think so. In times past, when the carriers had some cash in the bank, they might have been able to sit their planes idle for four to six weeks while they train new FA's. Do they have that depth now? It wouldn't appear so, would it?


The bottom line here is that management will drive us ALL to poverty unless someone takes a stand and say's that the job is no longer worth the compensation.


Good luck to us all,
enigma

 

[Flying Colors]

Looks to me like there will soon be a SCAB list for flight attendants. Pending how this strike turns out, lol.


Flying Colors

 

[GogglesPisano]

What happened to the capitalistic "what the market will bear"? It goes both ways. If labor says "we quit" and it folds the company, then the market has spoken. And it has said: "these executives mismanaged this company so badly that it is no more."

Nothing more, nothing less.

And the executives run off with their parachutes (ala Lorenzo) and the employees get the uemployment line.

 

[dtfl]

General,

I could honestly see some of the older "hags" breaking the picket line, if there were one, to work - IF there were ever a strike at Delta. I flew with a few older FAs in the 72 that were less then fun to work or interact with. I asked one, who was in a lovely mood one day - WHY she was doing it if she did not enjoy it and she said "I need the MONEY..I used to work at Eastern"
I still kept the back warm for her.

 

[Publishers]

Just who is to pay the result of this militant action. Who is to pay retirement when the companies have no money to pay it. Who is to pay when the ticket prices are not sustainable and traffic drops. If the industry suddenly paid all the pilots and flight attendants, Delta wages, do you think that there would be the same number of employed pilots a year later.

The public has indicated that they do not want to pay for what everyone seems to think that they deserve or are entitled to. The government has indicated that it is not too keen on paying for your retirement at the level it was supposed to be.

So who is to pay?

 

[Boeingman]

So who is to pay?

The same people paying for those bloated executive compensation and retirement packages?

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

Profession, huh??? So that is what you call it.

They don't call them "xxxxxxxxxx" for nothing.

...........unnecessary.............

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

But seriously...

My question would be; what would they specifically be striking for, and how would it be organized and finally resolved? "we're taking a stand against all of this BS" is great and all, but there have to be terms involved with a strike. Any ideas as to what those terms would be??? At what point strike? At what point return to work?

 

[CatYaaak]

Cattayyack,
Also, you are right, our stews don't have any union, which helps the company out a lot, but $crews the stews over regularly.
Bye Bye--General Lee

A screwing-over to which you publicly lend your support, based on your perception that all mainline F/As are "fat hags". You're also in agreement with those who support the screwing-over of unionized F/As based on these shared sophmoric priorities and utter disrespect for the position they hold.

Frankly, I can't see how your attitude is any different or less arbitrary than the worst kind of Management....or for that matter, how it differs to how much value that kind of management places on your job of driving the bus.

Tell me, IYO what should be done about those slobbo pilots who are too cheap to have their shirts pressed and obviously amend the close-out checklist to include "Box of Krispy Kremes"? Perhaps you need to clean-house and toss out the grumpy, cynical ones too (after which you might be able to cockpit-crew a dozen or so aircraft, so at least your load factors would be high).

 

[Indigo]

I applaud the AFA for making the threat. Following thru on the threat could be virtual suicide for their jobs, but they will have gone down fighting. If the industry continues to deteriorate, they'll most likely all end up out of work anyway, so why NOT quit en-masse?

Frankly, I don't know why anyone would want to be a flight attendant anyway. It seems to combine the worst parts of being an airline pilot with none of the good parts. Not only that, if what has been posted in this thread is any example they have to put up with some stunning hostility and disrespect from other crewmembers.

My feeling is that the FAs have less to lose than the pilots in making this kind of threat. I'm sure they need their jobs, but it may be easier for them to find an equivalent job in another industry.

 

[Snakum]

And so it was that the Delta ambassador from Hazzard County stooped to a new low.

+1 (Applause from the Private Pilot Peanut Gallery)

Minh

 

[AA717driver]

On the issue of whether or not the FA's can strike: When the Bankruptcy code was re-written to provide for an 1113 filing, they decided to give the employees some leverage of their own.

Once a contract is changed and imposed by the court, the employees are then entitled to self-help irrespective of their standing with the NMB/NLRP/RLA (whoever the he!! has jurisdiction by that time...).TC

 

[aa73]

. . . . with AMR 757 pilots agreeing to work for less than AirTran 737 Captains!

Ty...

12 yr Airtran CA = $153/hr

12 yr AA 757 CA = $166/hr

Still sucks....

Regards,
73

 

[PHXFLYR]

And I was under the impression that there wasn't anyone who preferred flying with uneducated, semi-literate, overweight, overbearing, trowel-makeuped, thrice exed, great-grandmothers who lack not only the capacity to carry on a coherent conversation or fit through an emergency exit but also the ability to perform any real service to anyone besides the cashier at McDonald's whose very $5.15 an hour is dependant upon their patronage.

You're probably pissed off when you get a hot one at Hooters, too.

What he said.....!!!!!



PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

Oh,never mind..........


PHXFLYR