ExpressJet Strike Vote

[Instigator]

If someone is in training and a strike does happen what should they do? go to class and get released or what? My understanding you have to make it through training before the union will protect you?

New-hires will be expected to finish IOE. Once the check-airman has signed the last piece of paper, the new-hire will probably give the IP the finger while walking out the door on his/her way to the strike center.

This is assuming there is training being conducted.

 

[Nova]

If we were to strike there wouldn't be any checkairmen online to perform IOE. They are on the pilot seniority list which means no flying on strike. They would walk just like the rest of us.

Someone from Comair would be qualified to answer this question. If I remember the company fired all those in the training pipeline when the strike hit. Even though they weren't protected by the Union yet the Union fought to get their jobs back when the dust settled. Someone have a better memory than I?

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

First of all, anyone who thinks we will be able to strike is smoking crack. If the NMB releases us, there is no way CAL will let that happen. Remember Comair? Now imagine Comair, ASA, Skywest, Chataqua, and DAL's 737-200/300 fleet all going on strike at once. This is about the effect we would have on CAL's operation, and the disruption in cash flow at the highly leveraged airline would put them in CH.11 in a matter of days, not weeks or months. The key is getting released by the NMB. If we can ever make this happen, then cooler heads will prevail at CAL and force XJT mgt. to pay the piper.

As far as the whole MESA deal, being scared is not a crime, but being a scab should be! I have the Freedom list in my flightbag and there it will stay for the next 31 years. I heard 2 of those fukkers got on with JBLU earlier this year. Is there anyway to track that group after they move on so those scumbags can be properly dealt with for the rest of their career? 9/11 only helped the small jet industry grow and prosper, unfortunately at the expense of the careers we all aspire to achieve. Freedom is the true cause of everything wrong with this industry in the last year and a half, and I, for one, will never forget.

 

[Nova]

What power does CAL have over our ability to strike? All they can hope to do is put pressure on the XJet management but what could they say to sway them? "Pay them whatever they want just don't let them strike and hurt our company!" I doubt that XJet management will be "forced" into signing something for the benefit of CAL. If CAL didn't want to feel the threat of an ExpressJet strike then they shouldn't have sold us off. Biting the hand that feeds them.

With the MEC split the CAL pilots don't even have influence on our decisions.

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

I'd be very surprised if Gordo & Co. don't have a huge amount of influence over the Jims. Who leases us our planes? gates? equipment? supplies most ground personnel? Sounds like one company to me.... Now time to go earn my $32.41

 

[Sam Fisher]

Just a quick clarification please, if you may Sam, before I respond. Are you suggesting I simply quit my profession in the face of adversity?

Or, do you mean as in a vote to strike, and execution of a strike?

RM,

You said that this job isn't worth the money anymore. So of course, you can always quit. But in the meantime, I will cast my strike ballot in the affirmative!

Sam

 

[cynic]

Ummm, on more time....

You morons signed up for a job that paid poverty wages. Not just a low wage, but actually lower than minimum wage.

You’ve already told the company what you will work for. Do you really think you have a chance at a livable wage? Do you think they will DOUBLE or triple your wages???

I predict no pay increase; crappy work rules and a bunch of suckers that will show up for work anyway. But hey, maybe the howler monkeys over at ALPA can use their GENIUS to help you out.

Just remember, you are getting EXACTLY what you deserve.

 

[Instigator]

Ummm, on more time....

You morons ...

Hey Einstein, you meant "one more time", right?

 

[Nova]

I'd be very surprised if Gordo & Co. don't have a huge amount of influence over the Jims. Who leases us our planes? gates? equipment? supplies most ground personnel? Sounds like one company to me.... Now time to go earn my $32.41

Influence over the Jims or not has no bearing on our ability to strike. If a release is granted all the begging and pleading by CAL to ExpressJet won't sway a pilot. Could CAL persuade the Jims to cut us all a big fat check? Perhaps but I doubt it. They want to be able to get us for the least amount of money to feed their system. If anything, CAL could be cheering on the Jims from the sidelines.

 

[miles otoole]

As far as the whole MESA deal, being scared is not a crime, but being a scab should be! I have the Freedom list in my flightbag and there it will stay for the next 31 years.

Please explain to us agin how the Freedom pilots are actually scabs?

 

[Sam Fisher]

Influence over the Jims or not has no bearing on our ability to strike. If a release is granted all the begging and pleading by CAL to ExpressJet won't sway a pilot. Could CAL persuade the Jims to cut us all a big fat check? Perhaps but I doubt it. They want to be able to get us for the least amount of money to feed their system. If anything, CAL could be cheering on the Jims from the sidelines.

Ahh, and what do you think the likelihood of getting a release is? This, my friend, is what sucks about the situation we are in.

Sam

 

[Nova]

We won't have any hope of a release until the new year IMHO. You're right though, even then it might not happen.

 

[mckpickle]

Please explain to us agin how the Freedom pilots are actually scabs?

ALPA put in place sanctions against anyone going to work at Freedom air. Same as if a pilot took a job today at Cathay Pacific. MAG used the whipsaw and the CC Air pilots as hostages. The freedom pilots ARE scabs. I carry the list and I encourage everyone to do the same.

Now that being said, had you guys had the nut to stand up to JO, and take a strike vote and WALK, the company stock would have plummeted. Low stock would have meant no finaicing for the CRJ-7/900. Now how do you think JO could have operated the airline without airplanes. MAG would have been forced into bankrupcy and JO would have had no choice but to pay a decent wage.

We know how it went down. We followed it very closely because what you don't understand is that every little thing effects the other groups of this industry. You guys caved, plain and simple. That Caused CHQ to go lower than Comair,(even though they THINK they "raised the bar"). Mesaba signed a crappy deal.....

SO why are we all having to lower our expectations? Because the NMB will not release us when they feel our goals are too far above your contract.



And Stay the hell off my airplane looking for food!

 

[contract2002]

And Stay the hell off my airplane looking for food!

pickle:

We should be helping those who are too stupid to help themselves!! Give 'em the salted nut roll!

 

[CEO silly sap]

We know how it went down. We followed it very closely because what you don't understand is that every little thing effects the other groups of this industry. You guys caved, plain and simple. That Caused CHQ to go lower than Comair,(even though they THINK they "raised the bar"). Mesaba signed a crappy deal.....

SO why are we all having to lower our expectations? Because the NMB will not release us when they feel our goals are too far above your contract.



And Stay the hell off my airplane looking for food!

Pee in the snow,

You are in the right arena, but your pointing your weapon at the wrong snowbank. ALPA, actually your rep voted leaders are steering you wrong.


Your 100 day hero has acted accordingly, according to company wishes. You will need to ask around but the information is there.


Stand in line while the elected(actually not) reps, collect their money.

LINE VALUE +10% and some.\


WHO DROPPED THE BAR

 

[Sam Fisher]

Pee in the snow,

You are in the right arena, but your pointing your weapon at the wrong snowbank. ALPA, actually your rep voted leaders are steering you wrong.


Your 100 day hero has acted accordingly, according to company wishes. You will need to ask around but the information is there.


Stand in line while the elected(actually not) reps, collect their money.

LINE VALUE +10% and some.\


WHO DROPPED THE BAR

Doesn't sound like a retired guy to me. Sounds like a disgruntled XJT crackpipe addict. Another anonymous whiner throwing stones from the crowd. Step up to the plate Mr Silly Sap. What would YOU do if you were in charge of our pilot group?

Sam

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Just read this thread. Here are my thoughts...


Mesa should've done what Mesaba did....

CHQ threw their FOs under the bus....

Jack London says anyone that undercuts another man is a scab.

CalEx has my support......

 

[flap operator]

Rez - just curious for another outsider opinion - what should Mesa have done that Mesaba did?

My support to the Coex pilots... with or without Comair+ anything.



FO

 

[DesertFalcon]

Poor Sam,

Did I hurt your feelings? To bad dood.

Oh lets address the chicken Snit comments: if the truth is Chicken snit then so be it.

Good luck with Neg.

QUESTION: What country did you get your ATP from?
In the USA, the FAA requires 1500 hours total time to qualify for an ATP.

 

[Britpilot]

Ummm, on more time....

You morons signed up for a job that paid poverty wages. Not just a low wage, but actually lower than minimum wage.

You’ve already told the company what you will work for. Do you really think you have a chance at a livable wage? Do you think they will DOUBLE or triple your wages???

I predict no pay increase; crappy work rules and a bunch of suckers that will show up for work anyway. But hey, maybe the howler monkeys over at ALPA can use their GENIUS to help you out.

Just remember, you are getting EXACTLY what you deserve.

Ummm, one more time......Fu*k off

 

[jesus]

Doesn't sound like a retired guy to me. Sounds like a disgruntled XJT crackpipe addict. Another anonymous whiner throwing stones from the crowd. Step up to the plate Mr Silly Sap. What would YOU do if you were in charge of our pilot group?

Sam

Let he who is without scab tendencies and full time trip loss goals cast the first stone.

-Jesus

 

[MJG]

I don't believe it, even Jesus has resorted to arguing on the internet.


Hey Jesus, about that whole natural disaster thing, we need to talk.....

 

[Britpilot]

Let he who is without scab tendencies and full time trip loss goals cast the first stone.

-Jesus

WTF?..........

 

[Bad-Andy]

Same as if a pilot took a job today at Cathay Pacific.

Steve,

Actually, ALPA lifted the hiring ban from Cathay Pacific over a year ago when they settled the 49ers issues... So, anyone that goes there now definately is not a scab and isn't on the list... As for the Freedom guys... Well, that's a whole different story...

Andy

 

[jesus]

I don't believe it, even Jesus has resorted to arguing on the internet.


Hey Jesus, about that whole natural disaster thing, we need to talk.....

MJG, I do not argue. THou shalt not worship false idols.

 

[Mesabi Miner]

I've been following the XJT situation rather loosely, so pardon my ignorance. A few observations and suggestions...

Your strike vote is important. When we voted 97%+ in favor of a strike, it made news in the NWA world.

Also, keep your noses clean as far as "job action" goes. If the NMB gets wind of any, it weakens your cause and helps the company BIGTIME. Fortunately, Mesaba was able to make it through the entire process without giving the company any ammo in that respect.

Questions...

Has your management directly or indirectly made any threats? Mesaba mgmt and NWA played hardball bigtime with Big Sky and the possible AVRO contract cancellation. In the beginning of this thread, somebody said that you all seem to have a great deal of leverage. It seems to be the case to me. What's the general opinion on this?

Hang in there guys and gals. It sucks, but hang in there.

 

[mckpickle]

Steve,

Actually, ALPA lifted the hiring ban from Cathay Pacific over a year ago when they settled the 49ers issues... So, anyone that goes there now definately is not a scab and isn't on the list... As for the Freedom guys... Well, that's a whole different story...

Andy

Thanks Andy, I stand corrected. Did all the 49ers get their jobs back? It was a shame how they were being treated.

 

[mckpickle]

Pee in the snow,

You are in the right arena, but your pointing your weapon at the wrong snowbank.

HAAAAAAAA thats good!!!

 

[Prop Trash]

originally posted by Mesabi Miner...

Questions...

Has your management directly or indirectly made any threats?

No, ExpressJet management has not made any direct threats. The only "indirect" threat thus far has been the inability to negotiate an acceptable scope clause. ALPA has reported that "the Company has a desire to aggressively pursue other business opportunities and is presently unwilling to agree to the scope and job security proposals that the NC and MEC firmly believe are essential." Read in to that statement all you want, but that sounds like a threat of possible whipsaw to me.

 

[flyer172r]

As for the Freedom guys... Well, that's a whole different story...

Ok, I admit I'm fairly new to this board, and am trying to keep up with what's going on, which is difficult to do since I have no idea what the story is with the Freedom guys. So I'm asking anyone with a couple free minutes to clue me in (preferably via PM) as to why everyone seems to hate them. Not asking for opinions or hate mail, I just want to know what the heck you're talking about.

Thanks in advance, sorry for sounding so ignorant.