ExpressJet - Making the move?

[SKC]

Well now, I pleasantly disagree that QOL is subjective...It is measurable. And since I have studied BOTH contracts at length, I am in a position to render a conclusion.

I suppose I should have phrased it, "Who are you to tell him what he thinks is important?"

My point was that an item that gives you a high quality of life may not mean a flip to me. Something in that contract that I see as a "must-have" may not be a blip on your radar. So, to say that you can measure those items of a complete stranger and what that complete stranger deems important by studying a contract is laughable. You can estimate or guess what those items are, but you can't say you can render a conclusion without his input or knowing what he wants.

 

[aviator202]

Perhaps you don't mean to be particularly hard headed...but QOL is measurable. Now you can try to turn that into a discussion of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin...but I'm not buying it because it is measurable. And the TWU contract for ExpressJet falls short in the QOL department...among several other key issues.

 

[SKC]

Ultimately I have no dog in this fight, just thought it was odd how you were claiming that you knew what provided him with a high quality of life.

Maybe it wouldn't have looked that way had you not already whipped your "contract" out to make sure it was bigger than someone else's.

 

[aviator202]

Obviously, since you keep trying to make this personal, your debating skills lack finesse and common courtesy. In the future, try your hand at learning how to debate in a reasoned manner instead of the ever present ad hominem fallacy.

 

[SKC]

Nevermind.

 

[XPOO]

Can ASA match the SkyWest Dispatcher's QOL? Maybe both ASA/XJT should look into a brand new contract that at least matches what the other half is getting.

 

[homerjdispatch]

Can ASA match the SkyWest Dispatcher's QOL? Maybe both ASA/XJT should look into a brand new contract that at least matches what the other half is getting.

Not with unions involved.... People complain about good 'ole SGU, but id say thats a huge QOL advantage for me, but others would disagree.

 

[XPOO]

Not with unions involved.... People complain about good 'ole SGU, but id say thats a huge QOL advantage for me, but others would disagree.

True, but its also more than just gorgeous SGU. It's the pay vs COLA, bonuses, vacation policies, overtime policies, and of course the general freedoms we enjoy here in the OCC that most others don't get to enjoy. Sorry, I'm not going to elaborate on what any of those are. That's privledged information.

 

[homerjdispatch]

True, but its also more than just gorgeous SGU. It's the pay vs COLA, bonuses, vacation policies, overtime policies, and of course the general freedoms we enjoy here in the OCC that most others don't get to enjoy. Sorry, I'm not going to elaborate on what any of those are. That's privledged information.

Oh I know...

 

[Pull To Guns]

Not with unions involved.... People complain about good 'ole SGU, but id say thats a huge QOL advantage for me, but others would disagree.

All contract disputes and union discussions aside, I miss SGU, I never worked with better people and my QOL was exceptional. Folks complain while there but when they leave, many want to return.

If I had my "druthers" on where to live, SGU would beat out Dallas, Memphis, Chicago, San Francisco and many other Operations venues.

In SGU I had the best of both worlds, a clean, safe, scenic place to live there with Nevada and its gambling, debauchery and word-class entertainment just a few hours away on I-15. I had a choice.

That being said, If I could make more than $18/hr and there was a mass importation of Asian hookers, I might give it a second look.

 

[homerjdispatch]

All contract disputes and union discussions aside, I miss SGU, I never worked with better people and my QOL was exceptional. Folks complain while there but when they leave, many want to return.

If I had my "druthers" on where to live, SGU would beat out Dallas, Memphis, Chicago, San Francisco and many other Operations venues.

In SGU I had the best of both worlds, a clean, safe, scenic place to live there with Nevada and its gambling, debauchery and word-class entertainment just a few hours away on I-15. I had a choice.

That being said, If I could make more than $18/hr and there was a mass importation of Asian hookers, I might give it a second look.

Im sure the hookers would be possible....

 

[Pull To Guns]

More likely than the $18/hr??

 

[homerjdispatch]

More likely than the $18/hr??

What do you think? HA HA

 

[cksport]

https://www2.ultirecruit.com/SKY1000B/JobBoard/JobDetails.aspx?__ID=*C64E19D115632FCF

Posting is still up until the 28th, if anyone is interested.

 

[fltdspx]

I find it hard to believe that anyone with half a brain looking at both contracts can see that pafca-asa has a better contract than those at XJT. I do agree there may be some things better in XJT but looking at both contracts for what they are pafca-asa has got an overall better more solid contract. lets take a look at who can dispatch what. I would be willing to bet that if ASA decided to put all the XJT A/C onto ASA certificate no one but ASA dispatchers can dispatch those aircraft....just take a look at who has a better scope clause... and also I know I read on this someone said XJT has around 62 qualified and current dispatchers ready to make the move. Well the last time I looked XJT only has 40 active dispatchers and the rest are qualified are in management...( some type of ). As I would love to make the kind of $$$ Main line gets sometimes it's not all about the money it's how not to let the company you work for take everyhting away except your salery. If I'm not mistaken if you look at XJT and ASA top of pay I think it's only a few cents differance between the two...and remember the more $$$ you make the more you pay in dues at XJT as their dues is a % of your pay.

 

[Pull To Guns]

No disrespect intended, but that really hurt my eyes! Google "paragraphs".

 

[Pull To Guns]

What do you think? HA HA

HJD, you are killing me!!! Funny man as usual!!! Haaar!!!

 

[homerjdispatch]

No disrespect intended, but that really hurt my eyes! Google "paragraphs".

This link may help him... http://tinyurl.com/au56ql

 

[WalterSobchak]

This link may help him... http://tinyurl.com/au56ql

Quit stealing my material.

 

[SierraPapa356]

I find it hard to believe that anyone with half a brain looking at both contracts can see that pafca-asa has a better contract than those at XJT. I do agree there may be some things better in XJT but looking at both contracts for what they are pafca-asa has got an overall better more solid contract. lets take a look at who can dispatch what. I would be willing to bet that if ASA decided to put all the XJT A/C onto ASA certificate no one but ASA dispatchers can dispatch those aircraft....just take a look at who has a better scope clause... and also I know I read on this someone said XJT has around 62 qualified and current dispatchers ready to make the move. Well the last time I looked XJT only has 40 active dispatchers and the rest are qualified are in management...( some type of ). As I would love to make the kind of $$$ Main line gets sometimes it's not all about the money it's how not to let the company you work for take everyhting away except your salery. If I'm not mistaken if you look at XJT and ASA top of pay I think it's only a few cents differance between the two...and remember the more $$$ you make the more you pay in dues at XJT as their dues is a % of your pay.

You just keep puffing that pipe.(it is just the one half of your brain anyway) In the end remember it's not the contract your voting for. The representation that will negotiate and administer the joint CBA is what you will be voting for. Like it or not the TWU has what it takes to get the best deal. Of course you could vote "no representation" and get what the company deals you, it might be even better than what you have now!

onward and upward
(thanks c/r)