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Friday, August 21, 2009
Contact: Bill Mosley
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STATEMENT BY U.S. TRANSPORTATION SECRETARY RAY LAHOOD ON CONCLUSION OF THE PRELIMINARY PHASE OF THE CONTINENTAL TARMAC DELAY INVESTIGATION

U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood announced today that his department has concluded the preliminary phase of its investigation into the Aug. 8 tarmac delay by Continental Airlines on a flight operated by ExpressJet Airlines. Passengers were stranded in a plane on the ground in Rochester, MN from 12:28 a.m. to about 6:00 a.m. with only pretzels provided by the carrier to eat.

“We have determined that the Express Jet crew was not at fault. In fact, the flight crew repeatedly tried to get permission to deplane the passengers at the airport or obtain a bus for them,” Secretary LaHood said.

“The local representative of Mesaba Airlines improperly refused the requests of the captain to let her passengers off the plane. The representative incorrectly said that the airport was closed to passengers for security reasons, which led to this nightmare for those stuck on the plane,” he said.

Mesaba is a wholly owned subsidiary of Northwest Airlines, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of Delta Air Lines.

The representative of Mesaba – the only carrier able to assist Continental at the airport – said that the airport was closed to passengers, apparently because there was no one from the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) available to screen passengers. In fact, TSA procedures allow passengers to get off the plane, enter the terminal and re-board without being screened again as long as they remain in a sterile area.

“There was a complete lack of common sense here,” Secretary LaHood said. “It’s no wonder the flying public is so angry and frustrated.”

Members of the Department’s Aviation Enforcement Office interviewed passengers, the flight crew, airport personnel and others with knowledge of the situation. They also listened to audio recordings from the aircraft and the dispatcher. In addition, Continental’s customer service commitment, contingency plan for flight delays and contract of carriage were reviewed.

“This is one of the most thorough investigations ever conducted by the Department’s Aviation Enforcement Office,” LaHood said.

The Aviation Enforcement Office is considering the appropriate action to take against Mesaba as it completes the investigation, which it expects to conclude within a few weeks. The Department has proposed regulations requiring airlines to adopt contingency plans for lengthy tarmac delays and to incorporate these plans in their contract of carriage, and asked for comment on whether it should set a uniform standard of time after which carriers would be required to allow passengers to deplane. The findings from this investigation will be used to help formulate a final rule that will provide better protection for airline passengers.

Finally, the preliminary investigation showed that while the crew of the ExpressJet flight did all it could to assist the passengers, more senior personnel within Continental or ExpressJet should have become involved in an effort to obtain permission to take the passengers off the plane.

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more senior personnel within Continental or ExpressJet should have become involved in an effort to obtain permission to take the passengers off the plane

What, get management to work after 4pm? Like that is ever going to happen.
 
I owe the Captain an apology.

Once again, the lowest bidder disease rears its ugly head!
 
“The local representative of Mesaba Airlines improperly refused the requests of the captain to let her passengers off the plane. The representative incorrectly said that the airport was closed to passengers for security reasons, which led to this nightmare for those stuck on the plane,” he said.

Ohhh yes.... :D
 
National media exposure first... next is bent sheet metal and finally loss of life.

You dumb bastards.
 
In fact, TSA procedures allow passengers to get off the plane, enter the terminal and re-board without being screened again as long as they remain in a sterile area.

Good to know! Next time I divert to TOM ...

Anybody has the excerpt from the TSA manual?
 
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National media exposure first... next is bent sheet metal and finally loss of life.

You dumb bastards.

Dude... people make mistakes all the time. Unless of course you are the first person who hasn't... Maybe if you live in a glass house you shouldn't throw stones???
 
Dude.... bro... homey...

Mistake? Right, it was a mistake that the ground personnel didn't want to 'deal' with the passengers so they left them on the airplane for the crew to deal with.
 
Dude.... bro... homey...

Mistake? Right, it was a mistake that the ground personnel didn't want to 'deal' with the passengers so they left them on the airplane for the crew to deal with.

"Minneapolis Center this is Xjet, 1234, we are declaring an emergency on the ground in Rochester due to the fact that we are unable to safetly accomodate the passengers in our aircraft."

Next, the flight crew says the same thing on Rochester CTAF (118.3), and Unicom (122.95) and finally the operations frequency. Adding that if no help is seen in the next 5 minutes, their net phone call will be to 911.

By this time ATC should have 4 ARFF trucks swarming around that airplane, and Rochester PD would already have been notified and been responding.

As the Captain of a 121 airliner (or entire flight crew) can't think out of the box to get something done, then they probably shouldn't be there...

To quote a Captain that I have flown with, "I don't care if you are male or female, if you want 4 stripes... you better get a pair of balls to go with them..."
 
Declare an emergency......Pull up to a gate...ANY gate.........open the door....let the Pax run free.They WILL deal with them at that point. Of course, tell ops what you are doing...Don't ASK them for permission..TELL them what you are doing. I know hind sight is always 20/20 but I have discussed this situation with other people after the JetBlue incident.
 

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