ExpressJet Dilemma

[cynic]

Interview coordinator is Dawn, I can send you a copy of the word document with the tmie grid you get if you'd like.

I'll give all the other detail when you guys post YOUR full real names and contact info.... or is that different?

COEX is the only offer I got. Not even an interview from ASA or Comair, but I think at this point the buddy system or an expensive academy gets you into those places.

You guys need to watch Dr. Phil. He says we TEACH people how to treat us. What did you teach mgmt by taking a job at or below poverty.

What impacts will that have on other places in the industry?

Again, thanks again for taking that job because if you didn't well then they might have to pay more.... you are THAT guy that ruins it for the rest of us and you'll get treated accordingly by mgmt.

 

[RSRVWINDSURFR]

cynic,


Do you only do research on a company after you interview? You didn't know what the pay was when you applied? ORW DID DE BIIG BAAD INTRVEEWRRS MAKE YOO GO HOOOMMMM WIDOUT A JOB HMMM?
Don't cry, flight instructing can be very lucrative....

 

[EMB145FO]

Cynic,
Why exactly did you even apply to Ex-Jet then?

C-12 Bubba,
Congratulations on getting hired! I'm sure your really excited. Don't let anyone steal your joy. Of course, keep things in perspective. The bar certainly needs to be raised.

To echo what others have said - IAH would probably be the best. Aside from being the easier commute, IAH is experiencing enormous growth right now. You would probably end up holding a line a lot quicker in IAH that any of the other bases.

Good luck

 

[cynic]

I applied because I'm nuts and I wanted to not take the job because I turned it down, not because I couldn't get it. So that’s why. And actually I thought everyone was rather nice during the interview. Its not the interviewer’s fault bozos keep taking these jobs for poverty wages.

And ACTUALLY, I made more as a CFI last year than I would have as an ExpressJet pilot.

So back to my original point....

A great big THANKS for taking that job. You win, you'll work for less!

 

[FlyChicaga]

cynic,

If you would have gotten off your pedistal, taken the job, and put your efforts to work on the inside maybe there would be change. But no, you had to turn down the job to make yourself feel much better. You aren't going to stoop to that level, and make peanuts wages at the airlines. By gosh, why would you do such a thing? It's fools like you who are the problem. Not the Pft-ers. You could get in there and use your "I'm worth more" attitude to force change, but instead leave that spot for someone so eager to fly a jet that they'll do it for $15K a year.

Everyone here thinks if you turn down the jobs then it will force changes in pay. Not so. There will always be some jokesters to swoop in and take that job for less. The solution is to get in and force change from the inside, when at least you have some pull. But then, that would take unity, something severely lacking in the current industry.

I apologize C-12bubba for the hijack. [/rant][/hijack]

 

[guitarflyer]

No, Thank YOU, Cynic....

For not taking the job (if there really was an offer).

Just please don't spit in my Whopper........

 

[Britpilot]

I applied because I'm nuts and I wanted to not take the job because I turned it down, not because I couldn't get it. So that’s why. And actually I thought everyone was rather nice during the interview. Its not the interviewer’s fault bozos keep taking these jobs for poverty wages.

And ACTUALLY, I made more as a CFI last year than I would have as an ExpressJet pilot.

So back to my original point....

A great big THANKS for taking that job. You win, you'll work for less!

DICKHEAD

 

[cynic]

Because I pointed out that COEX pilots are practically working for free, or because I made more than 17K last year as a CFI (which is nothing to brag about) or because I find it frustrating that pilots always undercut each other for some strange reason?

Which of those makes me the jerk?

 

[EMB145FO]

Cynic,

Thanks for pointing out the problems in our industry. Now, please present your version of the solution.

 

[Britpilot]

Because I pointed out that COEX pilots are practically working for free, or because I made more than 17K last year as a CFI (which is nothing to brag about) or because I find it frustrating that pilots always undercut each other for some strange reason?

Which of those makes me the jerk?

Hey Jerk, keep working as a CFI. you have found your calling.

 

[cynic]

Stop working for free.... That is the solution. Its actually not that complicated.

You see, when you took that job for 17K a year then somebody took the job. If you didn't take the job then something would have to change. I know, "If I didn't take the job some other guy would." Yes, you are that other guy.

I pee in your cheerois, rain on your parade, spit in your wopper and poop on your party.

Becuase you who took the job insured that I can not because you will work for far far less than I will.

So a big fat thanks a whole freakin lot.

You will respond with jerk, dick, couldn't cut it.... and I know thats because you don't have one reasonable response; because there isn't one...

 

[English]

Stop working for free.... That is the solution. Its actually not that complicated.

You see, when you took that job for 17K a year then somebody took the job. If you didn't take the job then something would have to change. I know, "If I didn't take the job some other guy would." Yes, you are that other guy.

I pee in your cheerois, rain on your parade, spit in your wopper and poop on your party.

Becuase you who took the job insured that I can not because you will work for far far less than I will.

So a big fat thanks a whole freakin lot.

You will respond with jerk, dick, couldn't cut it.... and I know thats because you don't have one reasonable response; because there isn't one...

I just have one question...then why did you work as a flight instructor? You see, when you took that job as a CFI then somebody took the job. If you didn't take the job then something would have to change. I know, "If I didn't take the job some other guy would." Yes, you are that other guy.

Just wondering.

 

[C-12Bubba]

Good Times.

Everybody pile on Cynic

Wanna stear this thread back towards something useful?

 

[BoilerUP]

COEX is the only offer I got. Not even an interview from ASA or Comair, but I think at this point the buddy system or an expensive academy gets you into those places.

By "buddy system", you mean networking right? And by "expensive academy", you mean a flow-through agreement, right? You may not be angry, but you sure seem bitter about those pilots who got hired because they "knew somebody" or went to a school with a hiring agreement. Don't be afraid to network, this business isn't what you know but WHO you know, much like any business these days. One would be naive to think otherwise.

I *sincerely* hope you make good money instructing, and do it for a long time. If it paid a good wage, I think I might be content doing it as a career. Its much like public school teaching - so very important yet so very undervalued. Hey, much like being a regional airline pilot...

Pay at EVERY regional sucks, some are worse than others. COEX pay rates currently stink, but hopefully they'll bring themselves up in a big way soon. I make $10.66/hr as a CFI, with no monthly pay guarantee. Why do you think people like me fight tooth-and-nail to get that 17K/year job at a regional? XJT is not the cause or the problem, this is an indictment of the whole dang system - but turning down a job ain't going to change that.


C-12Bubba, as FlyChicaga said, sorry for the thread hijack.

 

[LJDRVR]

C-12 Bubba,

You're really going to enjoy yourself. I just finished the six weeks of training, all I've got left is the LOFT, FAM ride and IOE. Everyone I encountered was fantastic. My first impressions of Express Jet being a first-class professional operation have been nothing but reinforced. Drop me a PM if can give you a heads up on anything, I'm having a blast.

 

[C-12Bubba]

Boiler, LJDRVR;

Thanks for getting us back on course.


DRVR;

How are those Upside down " W" yokes to fly with on the ERJ?

I've never flown glass, or a jet for that matter!

After just coming out of training, what was the best part (of trng), and what do you like most about the new
jet?

 

[MJG]

C-12 Bubba,


Definitely head for IAH if you can, that's where most of the growth will be. The difference between IAH and CLE is about 2 days off per seniority. In other words someone of my seniority in IAH holds on average another 2 days off a month than I do in CLE. So once you get off reserve that will be a big factor for commuting. EWR and CLE are pretty much at their growth limit just due to ATC saturation. They still have lots of sky down there in Texas. Well except when it storms which is like every other day in the summer. Plus I would think only having two time zone changes would be a little less tiring on the old body.

XJet it definitely a first class operation. Many of the small jet operators have really stepped up in these last couple years to become great operations. We use the latest technology, have a great safety program through ASAP and FOQA data and the training center is second to none. Welcome aboard. You're going to love it.

Just remember that we like everyone else have our "problem" areas. Luckily we're addressing most of them and eventually we'll get done what needs to get done.

My advice: study that damm audio panel. It's the hardest thing in the airplane to use, I swear.

 

[767200]

Stop working for free.... That is the solution. Its actually not that complicated.

You see, when you took that job for 17K a year then somebody took the job. If you didn't take the job then something would have to change. I know, "If I didn't take the job some other guy would." Yes, you are that other guy.

I pee in your cheerois, rain on your parade, spit in your wopper and poop on your party.

Becuase you who took the job insured that I can not because you will work for far far less than I will.

So a big fat thanks a whole freakin lot.

You will respond with jerk, dick, couldn't cut it.... and I know thats because you don't have one reasonable response; because there isn't one...

That's not the solution. If you get hired, take the job and then be PART of the solution by standing by your coworkers and get a better contract with better pay/benefits/etc. That's the attitude you should have, not rejecting an offer and blaming other people for taking a "low paying job". BTW I rather make 17k WITH full medical benefits, travel benefits, loss of license insurance, flying a nice airplane for a nice company like XJ or many other regionals rather than making a few more bucks(like you said) on an old beat up 152 with someone who's trying to kill you, no benefits, paying for a ticket to go on vacation(if you can afford it) and under part 91 which is the whore of all regulations, and not having anybody to back you up in case you screw up(we all do at some point).....see it's not only about $$$ but a few other things too......

 

[Nova]

How are those Upside down " W" yokes to fly with on the ERJ?

They are no different than any other yoke during flight but it can been limiting in a crosswind landing. The rams horn yoke requires a lifting action rather than the side-to-side rolling action found with a conventional yoke as you roll the aircraft. Imagine lifting a can of paint at arms length versus pushing that same can along a countertop and you get the basic action difference. It's just something you have to get use to. At the end of flying through a winter season with howling winds in the NE you'll build up those infrequently used muscles.

 

[C-12Bubba]

Nova;

THAT sounds very different! What's the crosswind limit on the -145? I imagine, with no leading edge devices, that you have to come in on final with a little heat--maybe that speed makes a difference?

Does a swept wing jet land any differently in a crosswind than a straight wing? (crab, or wing-down top rudder).



--Bubba