ExpressJet asking all pilots to provide flight time records to comply with HR5900

[resetjet]

I hope you've been keeping up on your logbooks. Totals due by March 14th.

1. Total Pilot Time
2. Total Cross-Country Time
3. Total Night Time
4. Total Instrument Time in Simulated Conditions
5. Total Instrument Time, in Actual or Simulated Instrument Conditions
6. Total Time as Pilot In Command (PIC) in an Airplane
7. Total PIC Time in an Airplane, Cross Country
8. Total PIC Time in an Airplane, at Night

 

[N813CA]

what the F. they should have made sure when they hired them

 

[kf4amu]

Oh apparantly United says it wasn't weather or mechanical related...as if they would know.

 

[BUDDHA145]

Oh apparantly United says it wasn't weather or mechanical related...as if they would know.

Is this do to TSA over run in Rochester?


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[777forever]

We're all getting ATPs! Funny, this might result in a mass exodus of FOs who would now be qualified for jobs like JetBlue and several lucrative overseas jobs like Emirates, FlyDubai, Qatar, and Ethiad

 

[rjacobs]

This is ridiculous. They know how much time I had when I got hired/took my initial checkride(filled out an 8710), they know how much I have flown for them, why cant they do the math and figure out in 6 years as an FO I PROBABLY meet the minimums for an ATP. Hell I am going to upgrade in May, I hope I meet the mins.

Maybe for the newer guys that have been here less than a year I can understand, but if you get hired at our bare mins(500tt) in basically one year, maybe 18 months, you will probably meet the mins for an ATP.

My guess is this is yet another thing that the company doesnt want to pay somebody to do(records checks) and will just push it off on the pilot group to accomplish for free.

 

[OCP]

The ASA side is not (so far) asking for this.

 

[Pasturepilot]

The ASA side is not (so far) asking for this.

Check again. I got my email timestamped 11 p.m. last night.

Nice work, gutting the crew records department. I bet the three people left will be a little busy. Oops. Just checked. It's down to two people now.

 

[gator_hater]

Please explain why this is an undue hardship? If you're filling out apps to other airlines you don't ask your current employer for the totals...you come up with your resume from your own records.

Not to mention the fact that since it is an 8710 that you're going to have to fill out and sign your name to you probably aren't going to take the company's record for your flight time anyway. Every one of us that has upgraded in the last 10 years had to get these numbers on our own, why should you be any different?

I ask again, what is it that makes this such a burden?

 

[79%N1]

Please explain why this is an undue hardship? If you're filling out apps to other airlines you don't ask your current employer for the totals...you come up with your resume from your own records.

Not to mention the fact that since it is an 8710 that you're going to have to fill out and sign your name to you probably aren't going to take the company's record for your flight time anyway. Every one of us that has upgraded in the last 10 years had to get these numbers on our own, why should you be any different?

I ask again, what is it that makes this such a burden?

Because this is the me, me, me.....I want, I want, I want generation. Maybe they can form an occupy group to get their records done for them.

 

[JustaNumber]

This is ridiculous. They know how much time I had when I got hired/took my initial checkride(filled out an 8710), they know how much I have flown for them, why cant they do the math and figure out in 6 years as an FO I PROBABLY meet the minimums for an ATP. Hell I am going to upgrade in May, I hope I meet the mins.

Maybe for the newer guys that have been here less than a year I can understand, but if you get hired at our bare mins(500tt) in basically one year, maybe 18 months, you will probably meet the mins for an ATP.

My guess is this is yet another thing that the company doesnt want to pay somebody to do(records checks) and will just push it off on the pilot group to accomplish for free.

I agree with gator hater. Sure, for some who aren't just about to upgrade this is a little bit of a hassle, but especially for you, you're about to fill out an 8710 anyway!

 

[Flyguy1226]

I hope you've been keeping up on your logbooks. Totals due by March 14th.

1. Total Pilot Time
2. Total Cross-Country Time
3. Total Night Time
4. Total Instrument Time in Simulated Conditions
5. Total Instrument Time, in Actual or Simulated Instrument Conditions
6. Total Time as Pilot In Command (PIC) in an Airplane
7. Total PIC Time in an Airplane, Cross Country
8. Total PIC Time in an Airplane, at Night

I'm an FO but already have an ATP, I didn't get asked any of these questions. I'm guessing if you check the ATP box it won't ask you all these flight time questions??

 

[JoeMerchant]

Please explain why this is an undue hardship? If you're filling out apps to other airlines you don't ask your current employer for the totals...you come up with your resume from your own records.

Not to mention the fact that since it is an 8710 that you're going to have to fill out and sign your name to you probably aren't going to take the company's record for your flight time anyway. Every one of us that has upgraded in the last 10 years had to get these numbers on our own, why should you be any different?

I ask again, what is it that makes this such a burden?

They are too busy listening to their iPod and whining on FI to actually be responsible...

 

[Nevets]

What about those who already had an ATP when hired?

 

[wt219200]

They are too busy listening to their iPod and whining on FI to actually be responsible...

From the guy with over 6000 posts. I bet you own some sort of mp3 device as well. You're a joke.

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

I don't think it's ridiculous. In upgrade training they need your total times prior to starting. In your oral exam for your ATP/EMB 145 PIC type rating they will dig through your logbook just like on any other checkride to make sure it's all correct. It's your responsibility to make sure you meet the requirements and you will have to prove your figures during your next checkride I'd imagine. Might as well get it all added up, you're going to have to for upgrade anyway. Good thing is all pay registers going back to dec 07 were brought over from CCS and are on Xjet.com

 

[centralpilot]

What about those who already had an ATP when hired?

That is the first question on the survey. Obviously the company won't have to provide extra training for them.

 

[centralpilot]

This is ridiculous. They know how much time I had when I got hired/took my initial checkride(filled out an 8710), they know how much I have flown for them, why cant they do the math and figure out in 6 years as an FO I PROBABLY meet the minimums for an ATP. Hell I am going to upgrade in May, I hope I meet the mins.

Maybe for the newer guys that have been here less than a year I can understand, but if you get hired at our bare mins(500tt) in basically one year, maybe 18 months, you will probably meet the mins for an ATP.

My guess is this is yet another thing that the company doesnt want to pay somebody to do(records checks) and will just push it off on the pilot group to accomplish for free.

Company records would at best provide the company with total time & a portion of cross-country time, but how could the company be sure about these?

[*]Total Night Time
[*]Total Instrument Time in Simulated Conditions
[*]Total Instrument Time, in Actual or Simulated Instrument Conditions
[*]Total Time as Pilot In Command (PIC) in an Airplane
[*]Total PIC Time in an Airplane, Cross Country
[*]Total PIC Time in an Airplane, at Night
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Some of these could be a problem for F/Os who went straight from a 141 pilot-mill to an airline. Most are probably fine, but I don't blame the company for wanting to be sure. They wouldn't want to spend money on sim time just to have your 8710 rejected. You're going to have to provide these times for an upgrade anyway and it should only take 2 minutes if your logbook is remotely up to date.

I'm more than happy to provide my times if the there is any chance the company will pay for an ATP this year. As a 6 year F/O with no hope of upgrading I'd love to get an ATP on the company's dime. I want out of this place.

 

[gator_hater]

it should only take 2 minutes if your logbook is remotely up to date.

When I upgraded it took a little more than 2 mins but a lot less than 45.

I was fairly certain that it was a me generation thing I just wanted to make sure.

 

[spudskier]

Why is this even a topic? Fill it out,get your ATP within the next 18 months. Seems like a no brainer, no discussion kind of thing