Express Jet Hiring Update...

[TOGA]

BigShotXJTDriver -
Great post, except the "idiots" part. Those two didn't make any mistakes than any two of us can honestly say we'd never make. Their worst mistake was in allowing all their individual mistakes to pile up into the $hitstorm that they ended up in. Amazing that no one was killed, much less even injured! You're right, though . . . it's profoundly telling that our Flt Ops Mgmt went to bat for them. It makes it even harder for me to believe how many 'mgmt's out to get us all/ExJet sucks' mentalities are out there . . . what the he!! do they want?! Well, okay . . . some money would be nice, but other than that . . .

 

[vmc-hound]

I didn't read TOGA's post to sound bitter at all. It was quite realistic. Your attitude isn't one that I would look forward to spending a few days with on a 4-day trip.

You are referring to the Capacity Purchase Agreement between CAL and XJT, I believe you are slightly misled on a) the actual clause that allows CAL to take back airplanes and b) on the significance of this clause.

I don't think you have any true idea of what this pilot group is trying to accomplish in this contract negotiation. There is a reason that us human beings have 2 years and only 1 mouth. Keep your ears open dude....

Sam

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first of all I know the capacity agreement...although I do not have a copy infront of me I know it states if pilots strike for more than 24hours Cal can take the airplanes(which they are leasing to us as well as gates etc even fuel) and that would be the end...

I also know what the pilots are trying to do...I was simply stating(obvisously mistaken)that the pilots have the upper hand in the negotiations. That was my point. Compared to Other regionals the pilots can/are getting alot of the reasonable request they they have presented. I also heard a rumor that some pilots believed the recent profit sharing should go to the pilots and not the folks who received it....is that true?

As far as spending 4or 5 day trip with me regarding my attitude...I believe you are out of line based on one statement regarding this topic...

I have every right to voice my opion on this forum and this topic because I am in the middle of it and this company....period!!!!

 

[ERJ2FLY]

600 hours and you are "in the middle" of what? where? Xjet?

Do we have any 600 hour pilots?

 

[vmc-hound]

Just to clear the "he's an a hole" air....

my quote was from "Who dew" not Toga....I did not notice toga was quoted by who dew...just a misunderstanding

it was not an attack on toga but a response from who dey previous reply's...

nothing against toga's responses...

 

[vmc-hound]

600 hours and you are "in the middle" of what? where? Xjet?

Do we have any 600 hour pilots?

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I work for xjt...thanks

 

[ATRCA]

Ok VMC,

You are STILL wrong about the CPA. They can begin to repo aircraft if there is a work stopage, but it takes 90 days of stopage for them to repo the entire fleet. It is a graduated repo depending on the length of the strike. Both airlines would be financially crippled by a stopage long before the fleet repo would be complete.

If you are an XJT employee, which you may be, I doubt you are a pilot. Most of our crewmembers have a better comprehension of the CPA than you have demonstrated here.

I welcome you proving me wrong.

Chow.

 

[vmc-hound]

Ok VMC,

You are STILL wrong about the CPA. They can begin to repo aircraft if there is a work stopage...
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okay is a strike a work stopage?...I said they will loose gates,planes etc...I never said anything about a time frame. You just proved my point. One day one airplane and the company will have a hard time recovering. If and only "if" both parties can agree the "repo" ends...and in the end CAL may decide to cancel the agreement anytime. CAL only needs a reason to cancel...CAL is already replacing xjt on some routes already with Skywest...dont you think CAL would ever do anything without a "what if"plan. And for the record I am working for xjt in a non-flying job at the moment, and we also have a through understanding of the agreement and what it means to all of us...

 

[ATRCA]

Anyway.......

 

[vmc-hound]

Anyway.......

?

 

[TOGA]

VMC Hound,
I got your PM, thanks. Just for the record, ATRCA is correct as to the mechanics of the CPA regarding a job action.

 

[ERJ2FLY]

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I work for xjt...thanks

OK, let me rephrase... do we have any 600 hour pilots on the pilot seniority list?

Just doesn't sound right...

 

[Waborita]

XJT CPA

What worries me about the CPA at XJT is CAL could cancel the agreement and transfer jet flying to SkyWest, Commutair, or any other NON UNION carrier and XJT pilots would be screwed!

Any non union carrier would pick up the flying and not blink an eye. And that is frightening as hell!

Please understand that XJT pilots have been spoiled with exclusivity with CAL. Just recently have we felt the pain of the WHIPSAWING associated with multiple carriers feeding the trunk carrier ie UAL, DAL and NWA.

We now have Skywest in IAH flying our old EMB-120's on routes we used to fly with EMB-120's ,ATR's, and EMB-145's , Commutair in CLE in our Beech 1900's, Gulfstream in Florida in our Beech 1900's and Cape Air in the North East, Bahamas, and soon Guam in some of our old ATR's.

These are all NON UNION carriers that do not operate jets for CAL, but all of us at XJT know they would be foaming at the mouth to be!

So we don't mean to offend the pilots of these carriers, but the pilots of XJT and CALALPA are trying to protect what is ours!

I know for Skywest it would not sit well if XJT opened in SLC, or LAX and flew your CRJ's for DAL?!

 

[Waborita]

Management not looking out for us? Remember that airplane that ran off the end of 6L at high speed and destoyed the Loc antenna in CLE last year? The feds wanted the heads of those pilots. Jim Nides stuck up for them and SAVED their CAREERS. He stuck up for them as they sat through a CVR recording that had more transcripted text in 30 minutes of flying than any other CVR in the history of CVRs! And they were saying nasty, filthy, cockpit talk about Nides, about the company about a lot of things. Not a lot of CPs would have done that. I'm no koolaid drinker, but Nides was a line pilot with Comair for a long time. He knows what we do out there, and what we have to do sometimes to get it done. He is management, but he is about as good as you will find anywhere, and for the most part he hires base CPs that are good guys too. The only reason he was able to help those two pilots is because they didn't kill anybody that day. That was pure luck, and those two idiots are still working here because JN gave them a second chance.

The most important part of this story you forgot is CALALPA! End of story!