Expired CFI

[MTpilot]

A friend of mine has an expired flight instructor certifacate. I looked at the regs and all it says is that to reinstate his certifacates he must take the practical test, does anyone know if he needs an endorsement and if there is any required training, from the regs I think not (61.183)(h). Anyone have experience with this.

 

[JAFI]

No training or sign off required. The exam (only can be done in an aircraft, not a simulator or training device) is up to the Inspector or Examiner to determine what is to be done on the reinstatement of a CFI. For the amount of training he may need, it depends how long it has been since he was current. If it has been "years" he may need more than some one who ran out last month.


If he cares to read all about it...

http://www.faa.gov/avr/afs/faa/8700/8700_vol2/2_011_00.pdf

JAFI

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

This is why I'll never let my CFI expire. I love instructing but it would be nice to teach because I want to, not because I have to.

JAFI,
You make some of the most informative posts on this board. If you're ever in Houston PM me we'll have a beer and some BBQ!

TA

 

[JAFI]

Don't spread that around, you'll ruin my reputation. And thank you for the beer and BBQ invite. I may take you up on that some time...


JAFI

P.S. smart people don't let their CFI lapse. I however, did so twice. So what does that say.......

 

[MTpilot]

Thanks JAFI,


That is one helpful link!

 

[350DRIVER]

Expired flight instructor certificates really are not that big of a deal at all. A simple checkride with a DE will get the job done. I have known many who had let their instructor tickets expire and a simple checkride later they were able to get current and be able to instruct once again. This certainly is not just an isolated case, many are/have been in your friend's position.

 

[avbug]

I've allowed mine to expire twice now, and have reinstated it both times to taking a practical test.

 

[JAFI]

It is real easy to forget when your CFI expires with work, the house, the family, etc... I mark my calander (each December) what month and yes the year my CFI is due. It has worked for the last couple of years.

JAFI

 

[Fly_Chick]

An instructor who let his CFI lapse about ten years ago went to an examiner in my local area to renew his certificate. The lapsed CFI prepared and practiced for the checkride, yet he never got through the oral as he did not have any lesson plans prepared.

Are examiners looking for orals as well as practicals?

 

[midlifeflyer]

Depends on the Examiner and the circumstances. Sit down with one in advance and ask.

 

[avbug]

I never had any lesson plans. I've certainly never used one with a student. On my original checkride, the Inspector asked about one, and I drew one up on a chalk board and presented part of the lesson to him, but for other instructor intial and reinstatement rides...no lesson plans. Didn't own any, didn't take any, didn't use any, nobody cared. The inspectors and examiners did care if I could teach, but not about what gimmicks might be in the bag.

 

[MTpilot]

Just an interesting tidbit

I ran into one of our FSDO guys up here and it turns out that my expired CFI friend is a check airman where he works and the fed said he could ride along when he's acting as check airman and that would be enough for a reinstatement. Probably varies quite a lot from FSDO to FSDO though.

 

[JAFI]

A check airman goes through training and a check ride to become a check airman. They also get rechecked on a regular basis by the FSDO. If the Inspector can fulfill the re-check requirements during an observation after observing the C/A training and certification, then all the requirements are met. It is not uncommon to administer a multi CFI ride during a check airmans training/checking if he doesn't have one already. Remember to be a check airman you do not have to be a CFI because you are working off your ATP certificate not your CFI certificate.

It's good to be a check airman...

JAFI