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Whine Lover
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NO. He is NOT in Denial.
EVA Employees are.
You don't think , after ALL these years, this OLD BASTARD isn't SMARTER than YOU?
Here's the Ploy:
It's called "HOPE and Change".
This is how Del will keep some of the Fools going to work while Rome Burns Around Them...
Every last Fool will GO TO WORK on the HOPE that this is NOT HAPPENING.....Putting the last, and final Pennies, into Del's pocketbook.
It's a well known Psychological Ploy/Effect (from Wiki / DSM IV) :
"The normalcy bias, or normality bias, refers to a mental state people enter when facing a disaster. It causes people to underestimate both the possibility of a disaster occurring and its possible effects. This often results in situations where people fail to adequately prepare ..."
" BUT, BUT, ... It CAN'T be Happening this way !???? ".
YES. YES, it CAN and.... YES, IT IS.
Call in Sick. Use all that you have earned and, Get The "F" Outta' Dodge.
We better not see you sitting in the Five Klowns next week....We may have to start flinging Pound Cake like Feces.
I'm just SAYIN'
WHINE
EVA Employees are.
You don't think , after ALL these years, this OLD BASTARD isn't SMARTER than YOU?
Here's the Ploy:
It's called "HOPE and Change".
This is how Del will keep some of the Fools going to work while Rome Burns Around Them...
Every last Fool will GO TO WORK on the HOPE that this is NOT HAPPENING.....Putting the last, and final Pennies, into Del's pocketbook.
It's a well known Psychological Ploy/Effect (from Wiki / DSM IV) :
"The normalcy bias, or normality bias, refers to a mental state people enter when facing a disaster. It causes people to underestimate both the possibility of a disaster occurring and its possible effects. This often results in situations where people fail to adequately prepare ..."
" BUT, BUT, ... It CAN'T be Happening this way !???? ".
YES. YES, it CAN and.... YES, IT IS.
Call in Sick. Use all that you have earned and, Get The "F" Outta' Dodge.
We better not see you sitting in the Five Klowns next week....We may have to start flinging Pound Cake like Feces.
I'm just SAYIN'
WHINE
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He is trying to milk every last penny out of this place before he shuts it down. He put out that last message to try and calm the vendors that we owe money to. I and about 90% of the people left no its over. Its been over for the last year. The 10% that want to think that we are going to make it are nuts.
You will not see us at the 5 towns again. We have been kicked out till EIA pays the bill.
You will not see us at the 5 towns again. We have been kicked out till EIA pays the bill.
Yes, that is what I was getting at. It almost sounded like guys were sitting in the lobby being held hostage until their rooms were paid for at check out.
Sorry for your impending loss guys....
YKW
I have escaped from a few hotels without paying. They ran the card at check in but I had to stay a few more nights. When they ran the card the morning of check out it did not work. I had to exit via the side door. Nice way to have to travel.
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The owners of the Anchorage Marriott hope to collect for the unpaid balance. The hotel owner is also suing 20 Evergreen employees listed in the lawsuit as "Does 1-20" because those employees allegedly used fictitious names.
WTH?!?!
I feel for those at Evergreen as I have been there more than most. (7 jobs in the last 7 years. 3 type ratings with 3 different companies in 14 months) However if this is a case where crew members truly used fictitious names on check-in knowing or suspecting that Evergreen wasn't going to pay the bill then that is just outright theft. Working for a ********************ty company does not give you the right to steal. I just hope this isn't as bad as it appears to be.
Evergreen has to pay the hotel bills. Individual crew members shouldn't be charged for the hotels when the company should have to pay.
It is not theft and further more how do we actually know that these names are false? Many times Evergreen called the hotel looking for me and the hotel told the company that I was not checked in. Explain that one when you are actually at the hotel.
It is not theft and further more how do we actually know that these names are false? Many times Evergreen called the hotel looking for me and the hotel told the company that I was not checked in. Explain that one when you are actually at the hotel.
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Yah think??? Unpaid hotel bills turned up on my credit report after a previous company closed up shop...who's the thief??..oh yah...personal bio data to facilitate was provided by the company's bankruptcy facilitator/lawyers..lovely isn't it?
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As I have written, I hope it is not what it appears to be. However if you check into a hotel and give a false name in order to avoid being responsible for paying the bill that is theft. I don't care who is supposed to pay the bill you are the one there. Now before you start saying "come out of your ivory tower" I have been in this situation when I was with Mesa. They were not paying their accounts on-time and we were asked to guarantee payment with a personal credit card. I stayed in the lobby until they gave me a room. If they had not given me a room I would have stayed at a shelter. Just because the lawyers and the company are @%^#@^%$&@ thieves (MaxJet creditors were not payed because the lawyers took hundreds of million of dollars for their fees with court approval), doesn't give you the right to steal from another #(*^#^&* corporation. When you get to numbers like 500K (if that is even accurate) at the Five Towns, that is affecting someone who is an innocent bystanders employment. Now I know that these few crews are but a sliver of the debt owed but every straw placed on the camels back has an effect.
With our attrition rate holding steady here at K4 hopefully we will be hiring next year and some of the Evergreen pilots will find employment with us. Or who knows I could find myself on the street yet again. Crazy business we are in.
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I understand your position, but the thief is the owner. He has the money to pay these bills but decides to build his "theme park" in McMinnville instead.
In addition the owner owes the employees money in the 401 K that he has yet to pay and ordered to pay by a Judge. The money owed is a large amount running in the thousands of dollars per crew member.
In addition the owner owes the employees money in the 401 K that he has yet to pay and ordered to pay by a Judge. The money owed is a large amount running in the thousands of dollars per crew member.
They will all just ride back stateside if they are smart.
At what point does the hotel become liable for extending credit? I mean I'm not saying not paying or using false names is right but when does the business say nope, not going to extend credit anymore, go somewhere else? When the bill is $20,000, $30,000? If you run a business do you put yourself in that position of extending somone $50,000 in credit and keep going? Or would you stop at $10,000? Evergreen should pay every cent back but on the flip side at some point a business has to look out for itself.
BuckMurdock1
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Many years ago, I remember hearing about ASA regional pilots who weren't even allowed to check-in at some hotels because the company was so delinquent on their hotel bills.
Best of luck to all the Evergreen pilots about to hit the streets (doesn't sound like many of you left). With the quality of time on your resumes, I doubt you'll be unemployed for long. I'd hope that any reasonable judge would stick that b*stard of an owner of yours with all the unpaid bills personally.
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No one at Evergreen checked into the Marriott under a false name. That is bull********************.
However, personal credit cards of people at headquarters were used and others, to secure rooms.
The Mariott knew when the reservation was made the credit card used to guarantee the reservation was from someone different, but when the crewmember checked in...we gave our own names.
As far as being done in a week.....maybe. Or maybe not, the circus may last a few more weeks.
However, personal credit cards of people at headquarters were used and others, to secure rooms.
The Mariott knew when the reservation was made the credit card used to guarantee the reservation was from someone different, but when the crewmember checked in...we gave our own names.
As far as being done in a week.....maybe. Or maybe not, the circus may last a few more weeks.
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