Evergreen Put On Creditwatch

[propsarebest]

The first -400 IS coming. It will be in JFK on April 2nd, give or take a couple of days. It will be N491EV...

 

[Zoneload]

Have they ever had any creditability with the flight crews. I think from looking at things that there will be a 400F here at some point..

 

[Nevergreen]

Have they ever had any creditability with the flight crews. I think from looking at things that there will be a 400F here at some point..

Threre was brief period of time a few years ago; when that guy up in Mickeyville with the funny cartoon name and and funny British accent had a little bit of credibility.

But then he drank the poisoned green punch and became just like the rest of senior management.

They have been promising us 400F's for over 2 years! Look back at just the posts on this board. I just did. That is how long we have been talking about it.

With the loss of the LCF, EZ management destroyed the last shred of respect I had for anyone at the top. Previously, I could disagree and dislike them, but I stilll had a minimum of respect for some of them.

However, with the loss of the LCF, the letter Bauer put out, the business class travel debacle, the failure to secure any 400's in 2 years +, the fact that they care more about building an Imax, Space Musuem, water park and motel than they care about running an airline has lead me to lose all respect for them. What's next? They buy a used big top tent and open the Evergreen Traveling Circus?

And the Chief Pilot is right about one thing. If we get a 400F, it will require a high number of crews to operate because they will have to commercial 3-4 crews ahead of the aircraft just to keep it manned as it went around the system. Even with 2-3 aircraft they will have the same problem.

And if we get 400Fs they will just retire the older 200's. There won't be any growth, and we will lose about half our FEs. Most of them are really nice guys, I feel bad for them and their families.

Not much to be optimistic about here at Evergreen. Until 2 weeks ago I thought we were going to have a good year. Now I will feel lucky just to have a job one year from now.

 

[Zoneload]

Lets see 20 plus years here now and we have been going out of business for most of the 20 years.

The older pratt powered -200 have to go at some point and the only thing to replace them with is -400's. So the FE's who I happen to like are at some point going to be out of work.I know it has been 2 + years waiting for the -400's but it was also 3 years waiting for the GE powered planes to show up.

So I guess we will see if N491EV shows up in JFK in April...I hope it does.

 

[sgu]

EIA for sale?

Boeing drops Oregon operator for its Dreamlifter fleet
Boeing is turning over operation of its four Dreamlifter super-freighters to New York-based Atlas Air, dealing a blow to Oregon-based Evergreen International.

By Dominic Gates
Seattle Times aerospace reporter
Boeing is transferring the contract to operate its four Dreamlifter super-freighters from Oregon-based Evergreen International to New York-based Atlas Air.

The switch brings some risk of disrupting 787 transport logistics, which Evergreen says it has run smoothly since the first Dreamlifter flew in 2006.

The planes are used 747s in which the upper fuselage was replaced by a bulbous crown so that large sections of the 787 can be ferried around the globe for assembly.

In 2005, Boeing selected Evergreen for a five-year contract to provide flight crews and maintenance for the Dreamlifters. Atlas will take over the operation in September under a nine-year contract.

Atlas will have to train fresh pilots on the Dreamlifter's flight characteristics and bring ground and maintenance crews up to speed on its unique configuration.

Boeing did not respond to questions on the switch by press time.

One factor may be Atlas' pending order for 12 new 747-8 cargo planes.

Because of a severe contraction in the air-cargo market over the last couple of years, Boeing has been negotiating intensely with the initial customers, including Atlas, to reschedule 747-8 deliveries.

The contract loss came as an unexpected blow to Evergreen, which employs about 75 pilots, mechanics and ground crew directly operating the Dreamlifters. An additional 200 work in support positions on the program, about half of those at a maintenance base in Arizona and the other half at headquarters in McMinnville, Ore.

Tim Wahlberg, chairman of holding company Evergreen International Aviation, said Evergreen was never given the chance to bid for renewing the contract.

"We're very disappointed," said Wahlberg. "We ran a perfect operation. We're very price competitive. We believe (the switch) was unrelated to our operation."

Evergreen operates a fleet of 747 cargo jets and heavy-lift helicopters, as well as a 747 aerial firefighting "supertanker." The privately held company flies supplies for the U.S. military into Afghanistan and Iraq and to bases around the world.

The contract loss is badly timed for Evergreen, which is trying to raise money to pare debt by putting up for sale its airline and aircraft-maintenance businesses, a person familiar with the offering said.

Dominic Gates: 206-464-2963 or [email protected]

 

[B737Dvr]

Way to go delford!

Well the 400's are coming so don't count us out just yet.

You guys just lost the LCF contract to ATLAS! I am not counting you guys out, I'm doubling down!

Geezus wtf over?

 

[belchfire]

Well the 400's are coming so don't count us out just yet.

Those two Malasian birds did come...

just not to Evergreen!

 

[Zoneload]

I did not know that we had Malasian birds on the way..But there is a -400F on the way it is in a D-check now..

 

[GG747]

We didn't want those Malasian birds considering there condition.

 

[embpic1]

We didn't want those Malasian birds considering there condition.

I think those are the two planes that we got here at Kalitta. If those planes didn't meet your 'standards' then you better buy them right from Boeing. Those two planes are in great shape and have been flying non-stop since we got them.

 

[B747FR8DAWG]

Not to offend, but it's Malaysian not Malasian.

 

[Mr.B]

I think those are the two planes that we got here at Kalitta. If those planes didn't meet your 'standards' then you better buy them right from Boeing. Those two planes are in great shape and have been flying non-stop since we got them.

Don't go blowing a panty liner... I'm sure your jets are just fine. After all, you got Connie running the show. He runs a tight operation right?

EVergreen has JAL and Air France in a bidding war for their next two -400s. These are in addition to the SIA jet in contract already.

 

[Zoneload]

Not offended I am just a Dumb Ass...

 

[waazzuuuup!!]

Negative,

you are a gentlemen and a scholar for admitting that! Hahhahahaha

 

[Classicdriver]

Could this affect the -400's or is it just postering?

http://alpa.org/Portals/Alpa/PressRoom/PressReleases/2010/4-13-10_10.EIA.htm

Evergreen International Airlines Requests Concessions from Its Pilots
Union to consider proposal as airline deals with financial troubles
WASHINGTON – Evergreen International Airlines (EIA) crewmembers, represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l (ALPA) said today that they will evaluate management’s request for concessions based on the union’s own internal economic analysis of the company’s current financial status. EIA management is seeking concessions from the pilots and flight engineers, who continue to work under 1999 wages and work rules. The crewmembers are being asked to accept significant changes to a number of important work rules in light of the company’s “financial crisis,” as current circumstances were described in a recent letter from EIA’s president.
“ALPA recognizes the company’s financial situation and is following proper procedures under our guidelines regarding management’s request for concessionary bargaining,” said William Fink, chairman of the Evergreen ALPA unit and EIA professional flight engineer. “It is the union’s job to protect the best interest of the pilots and flight engineers so these steps are necessary before entering into talks to provide the company givebacks.”
“Our union leaders and EIA crewmembers will have the backing and resources that ALPA provides to our members in this situation,” said Captain John Prater, ALPA president. “They can rely on the experience and knowledge maintained by this union as their support system.”
The two sides have met periodically over the past six years with little progress. Mediated talks began in 2005 under the supervision of the National Mediation Board (NMB). Discussions will continue with a mediator at NMB headquarters in Washington, D.C., later this week.
ALPA is the bargaining representative for the 224 pilots and flight engineers in service for EIA. Founded in 1931, ALPA represents 53,000 pilots at 38 airlines in the United States and Canada.
Visit the ALPA website at http://www.alpa.org.