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[ITFL]

Look at it this way: These 'evil' management people are the ones that own the company. They have thier money tied up in it, and thier goal is to make more. But without them, you wouldn't work here, much less have a salary to complain about. If it were your company, wouldn't you have the same interest?

Also, like I've been saying for so long and nobody answers me: You accepted the job at the offered pay. Did they all of the sudden decrease it after you started working? If the pay was 'sub-standard' as you claim, why didn't you turn it down? To take a job and then complain about the pay seems pretty childish to me, folks.

What makes the company move and "push tin", it is not management or the kids in OCC......talk to a 7 year PIC that is on food stamps while FLOPS is flying VP's and their families on vacation? Explain that? Many are waiting on KR to make good on his promise! The ball is in his court. Perhaps you and BT can talk to him!!!!! Hell he wrote the book, management by trust!

 

[skanza]

What makes the company move and "push tin", it is not management or the kids in OCC......talk to a 7 year PIC that is on food stamps while FLOPS is flying VP's and their families on vacation? Explain that?

Food stamps. Yeah right. If so, it's thier own fault - not living within your means.

And it shouldn't matter who your flying or where your flying them. You were hired to fly. Get over it. What, do you want to be Beechjet-ed with your family to vacation? Sure, if it's part of your package...

 

[skanza]

if it's broke thn it's broke.

can't deny it....you really wanna continue with that?

I agree. But we all know write ups are carried to a place that has no MX just as they are carried to places where thier is MX. It just depends on the mood/level of union support of the pilot. I prefer having that taken out of the equatiuon and just sqawking what's broken - whenever, wherever.

 

[brokeflyer]

I agree. But we all know write ups are carried to a place that has no MX just as they are carried to places where thier is MX. It just depends on the mood/level of union support of the pilot. I prefer having that taken out of the equatiuon and just sqawking what's broken - whenever, wherever.

guess the company shouldnt've asked for a union then eh smart guy?

all this coulda been avoided very easily. PAY THE FCKING PILOTS!!!!

instead they steal all themoney for themselves then blame everyone else, sorry but that is undisputed fact.

your apology is accepted.

 

[ITFL]

You were hired to fly.[/I

Yep, safe and legal!!!!!!!!

 

[ITFL]

I agree. But we all know write ups are carried to a place that has no MX just as they are carried to places where thier is MX. It just depends on the mood/level of union support of the pilot. I prefer having that taken out of the equatiuon and just sqawking what's broken - whenever, wherever.

I am sure the FAA would like to discuss the issue of MX issues being carried with you.

So you fly broke airplanes, we get it, you know what perhaps you should review the GOM and GMM, and what you are REQUIRED to do! Was there not an e-mail years ago from the DO that addressed this issue??????

 

[brokeflyer]

I am sure the FAA would like to discuss the issue of MX issues being carried with you.

So you fly broke airplanes, we get it, you know what perhaps you should review the GOM and GMM, and what you are expected to do! Was there not an e-mail years ago from the DO that addressed this issue??????

yeah the next thing ya know is you'll have a operation like USAir and Pan AM...

you dont wanna go there.

 

[steelersrule74]

Look at it this way: These 'evil' management people are the ones that own the company. They have thier money tied up in it, and thier goal is to make more. But without them, you wouldn't work here, much less have a salary to complain about. If it were your company, wouldn't you have the same interest?
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wow, if you can't even see that a company is 'owned' both by mgt and the employees that devote a life to it - then you really have no concept of why labor strife even exists. It's true employees can't function without mgt - but in what fantasy world do you occupy that a company with only mgt and no employees can exist?

and while your anti-union views are well documented it's become apparent you're not just anti-union - you hate pilots. how else to explain a heartless comment that those on food stamps aren't living within their means. food stamps are tied to wage levels, not how much you spend.

 

[ITFL]

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[ITFL]

wow, if you can't even see that a company is 'owned' both by mgt and the employees that devote a life to it - then you really have no concept of why labor strife even exists. It's true employees can't function without mgt - but in what fantasy world do you occupy that a company with only mgt and no employees can exist?

and while your anti-union views are well documented it's become apparent you're not just anti-union - you hate pilots. how else to explain a heartless comment that those on food stamps aren't living within their means. food stamps are tied to wage levels, not how much you spend.

skanza has no clue, we are going to fry the brain of the "marker twins" if this keeps up.....

 

[skanza]

I am sure the FAA would like to discuss the issue of MX issues being carried with you.

So you fly broke airplanes, we get it, you know what perhaps you should review the GOM and GMM, and what you are REQUIRED to do! Was there not an e-mail years ago from the DO that addressed this issue??????

No mutha-fu(ka! I am accusing others of flying broke airplanes! Get it? Accusing. Others.

Once again, I don't advocate carrying write-ups (nor do I). No deals should be made with MX to get the plane to a convenient place and no one should carry a write up to an inconvenient place because they're pissed at management. Both are forbidden when the GOM/GMM are followed.
Do you understand now?

 

[skanza]

wow, if you can't even see that a company is 'owned' both by mgt and the employees -ok yes, for that definition of 'own'. But I was referring to the financial mode of 'owning' that devote a life to it - then you really have no concept of why labor strife even exists. It's true employees can't function without mgt - but in what fantasy world do you occupy that a company with only mgt and no employees can exist? Umm none? I didn't suggest that - as its silly to think a company of managers can exist.

and while your anti-union views are well documented it's become apparent you're not just anti-union - you hate pilots. how else to explain a heartless comment that those on food stamps aren't living within their means. food stamps are tied to wage levels, not how much you spend.

What I mean was I doubt there are any pilots on food stamps.
Unless there's one that makes less than $1000/month with a ton of kids. Still, that's even doubtful.

 

[Fedmagnet]

Sure, as long as the entire document is shown - showing the name of pilot that wrote up this supposedly illegally signed off 501, then this idea is somewhat legit. Otherwise, don't bother making your point this way. But, posting private aircraft records on the internet may bring you trouble the union can't save you from...
You can share the 501 sequence # and tail number, this might work.

You seem a little nervous about seeing the pilots name. Is it that your name may show up on the illegal sign-offs? Or maybe your name will come up in the story surrounding the 501.

Truth and Public Knowledge is good for the soul. What are you afraid of? Why not welcome it? If you are proud of the maintenance Flops has performed daily, then you should welcome this idea, show everyone how serious you are about maintenance. Instead, I hear threats!
Are you afraid that the truth will get out there?
Pilots are permitted to keep copies of 501s that they find.

Stop trying to scare pilots into thinking they can not tell someone about the truth. After all the 501s can be confirmed in company records and some can be confirmed that the FAA already has knowledge of but chose to turn the other way. Hey, as long as they can live with that, it's all good.

Convincing pilots to play along with breaking the law will catch up to the company, mid-level management and the pilots that sold out.

Twitter is a fun tool, to get it all out there.
Are you feeling me? uke:

 

[dime line]

No mutha-fu(ka! I am accusing others of flying broke airplanes! Get it? Accusing. Others.

Once again, I don't advocate carrying write-ups (nor do I). No deals should be made with MX to get the plane to a convenient place and no one should carry a write up to an inconvenient place because they're pissed at management. Both are forbidden when the GOM/GMM are followed.
Do you understand now?

Oh I call BS on you not carrying write ups.

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

Wow five pages and counting. It is like arguing about the paint scheme on a ship while she is sinking. None of this union anti union argument will matter when Uncle Kenn replaces the IBT pilots with scabs who will do what they are told when and how they are told to do it without question. After the replacement pilots come I'm sure write ups will only occur at MX bases and the rolling duty clock will return. I'm sure even with that level of "flexability and cooperation from the pilots" the OCC will still manage to run as poorly as it always has.

 

[skanza]

You seem a little nervous about seeing the pilots name. Is it that your name may show up on the illegal sign-offs? Or maybe your name will come up in the story surrounding the 501. No. No.

Truth and Public Knowledge is good for the soul. What are you afraid of? Why not welcome it? If you are proud of the maintenance Flops has performed daily, then you should welcome this idea, show everyone how serious you are about maintenance. Instead, I hear threats!
Are you afraid that the truth will get out there? No, I'm waiting for it.
Pilots are permitted to keep copies of 501s that they find. Find or write-up? Where is it written that this is permitted?

Stop trying to scare pilots into thinking they can not tell someone about the truth. After all the 501s can be confirmed in company records and some can be confirmed that the FAA already has knowledge of but chose to turn the other way. Hey, as long as they can live with that, it's all good.

Convincing pilots to play along with breaking the law will catch up to the company, mid-level management and the pilots that sold out. -No one is trying to do this. You'll need to prove that before making the accusation.

Twitter is a fun tool, to get it all out there.
Are you feeling me? uke:

Dude, I think you misread me. I want to see proof of these 'illegal' 501s. I'm not trying to scare anyone into thinking they can't say anything about the truth.
I don't care what you think is true, and I don't care what I think is true - I only care what is actually true.

 

[FR8DOG777]

go away



pilot exploiter!
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[skanza]

^ Really? Now *that's* effective...

 

[fischman]

^ Really? Now *that's* effective...

About as effective as all of YOUR posts...

 

[brokeflyer]

i think what he means skanza is no one really cares what you think...you're not gonna change anyone's mind on how they do things.

 

[skanza]

I understand that and am not trying to change minds. I'm just trying to present a different point of view and at least have people acknowledge and consider it. That doesn't mean 'changing their mind' about it. But it seems that so many of the pro-unioners here are so caught up in it that they don't even consider the validity of the non-union viewpoint, even though I have considered the pro-union stance. This is how I make a well informed decision: Consider all sides.

Some examples that have made me not support the union tactics are: Writing up airplanes for the sole purpose of impacting the operation. Threatening a strike. Carrying discrepancies until the aircraft is in an inconvenient place for MX - just to affect the operation. Making up non-approved preflight lists that focus on grounding the aircraft instead of the claimed reason of being safe.
All of these are examples of things that I would not consider a professional to do - no matter what industry.

 

[brokeflyer]

I understand that and am not trying to change minds. I'm just trying to present a different point of view and at least have people acknowledge and consider it. That doesn't mean 'changing their mind' about it. But it seems that so many of the pro-unioners here are so caught up in it that they don't even consider the validity of the non-union viewpoint, even though I have considered the pro-union stance. This is how I make a well informed decision: Consider all sides.

Some examples that have made me not support the union tactics are: Writing up airplanes for the sole purpose of impacting the operation. Threatening a strike. Carrying discrepancies until the aircraft is in an inconvenient place for MX - just to affect the operation. Making up non-approved preflight lists that focus on grounding the aircraft instead of the claimed reason of being safe.
All of these are examples of things that I would not consider a professional to do - no matter what industry.

yup i hear ya....been there, done that, seen that, etc....

there is a simple solution, pay the pilots a fair wage, but simple and management dont work well together.

 

[RTRHD]

Some examples that have made me not support the union tactics are: Writing up airplanes for the sole purpose of impacting the operation. Threatening a strike. Carrying discrepancies until the aircraft is in an inconvenient place for MX - just to affect the operation. Making up non-approved preflight lists that focus on grounding the aircraft instead of the claimed reason of being safe.
All of these are examples of things that I would not consider a professional to do - no matter what industry.

Do you guys REALLY do that?????

 

[FR8DOG777]

Ain't no threat skumza, we gonna strike on october 19th. Legally and with the full legal process of the RLA. Boy you sure do look puuuurty in that new uniform, cept you'd look a bit more professional if it was just a head shot and it didn't show your kneepads, of course there's that leftover sperm from KENN on the corner of your mouth you forgot to wipe off. See you on the picket line spineless.

 

[jetwash]

Ain't no threat skumza, we gonna strike on october 19th. Legally and with the full legal process of the RLA.

My calculations were the first or second week of November due to the legal process. I am sure when the press release is issued to all of our owners that the exact date will be included so as to give them ample warning to make other arrangements.

 

[RTRHD]

Woops sorry Flops thread. Go ahead burn em down.

 

[skanza]

yup i hear ya....been there, done that, seen that, etc....

there is a simple solution, pay the pilots a fair wage, but simple and management dont work well together.

When did you start working here? Did you agree to the wage that was offered? If not, why did you take the job? Was your salary suddenly decreased after you started the job?

These need to be answered to validate your "Pay the pilots a fair wage" statement. But I'm sure you won't answer, you'll just come back with a snide remark about me being a scab, or how you don't care what I think, etc... Just think about these answers to yourself.

 

[skanza]

Ain't no threat skumza, we gonna strike on october 19th. Legally and with the full legal process of the RLA. Boy you sure do look puuuurty in that new uniform, cept you'd look a bit more professional if it was just a head shot and it didn't show your kneepads, of course there's that leftover sperm from KENN on the corner of your mouth you forgot to wipe off. -Seriously? With these kind of references? Grown up. See you on the picket line spineless.

Ok, so you stike. Owners are pissed off and leave. No more revenue for the company. Unable to cash paychecks. Nice. This is your plan to get an increase in pay? Brilliant!

 

[skanza]

My calculations were the first or second week of November due to the legal process. I am sure when the press release is issued to all of our owners that the exact date will be included so as to give them ample warning to make other arrangements.

...other arrangements to pay someone else to fly them. Again, nice plan fool.

 

[brokeflyer]

When did you start working here? Did you agree to the wage that was offered? If not, why did you take the job? Was your salary suddenly decreased after you started the job?

These need to be answered to validate your "Pay the pilots a fair wage" statement. But I'm sure you won't answer, you'll just come back with a snide remark about me being a scab, or how you don't care what I think, etc... Just think about these answers to yourself.

yes the wages did go down.....because everything else went up. House payments, gas, groceries, medical, beer, cable tv. etc etc etc

so the wages stayed the same and everything else went up in price, that is a pay cut.

any other questions?

Im retired now, so I dont have to fight with you anymore.