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2000flyer

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It all started off great. I arrive to preflight, the sun just starting to rise in a perfect black-red sky. We get the aircraft loaded and start our taxi to the active. Line-up check complete, I advance the power levers, the PNF begins his standard calls; accel normal, airspeed alive, 80 knots, V1 … suddenly the warble of the fire warning goes off. The master caution light flashing in my face, red CAS messages begin appearing, the red FIRE light pushbutton over my head couldn’t get any brighter and the right power lever handle is also telling me the engine is on fire with it’s bright red glare.

We continue the take-off, climb to TOSA and begin our memory items backed up with the checklist. We fire the first squib and start the clock. 30 seconds on the clock seem to count down in slow motion. Fire light still on…fire bottle 2 and hope. At the same time ATC advises “smoke coming from your left engine…cleared to XYZ VOR, hold as published.” “You’ve got to be kidding me!” I half yell to my co-captain. ATC advises us that their checking the only runway for debris before we can return to the airport. The sweeper must have gone to lunch!

Then it dawns on me, the FIRE light is still glowing as bright as the now rising sun. The nearest suitable airport is over 100 nm away. We discuss other airports, but the weather sucks everywhere. We advise ATC to forget the sweeper, we need to land NOW! He obliges and begins giving us vectors to the ILS. As we configure for the approach, we ask to be turned on at the marker. LOC/GS centered, passenger briefed for the emergency evacuation on the runway, before landing check complete. At 1000’ we break out of the overcast, both anxious to get on the ground. The EGPWS calls out “500…400…300…200…100”

You’ve got to be kidding me…here comes Joe Schmoe runway sweeper making a hard right onto the runway to check for debris. Tower begins yelling “Falcon 123, GO AROUND…GO AROUND!” One power lever to max T/O…Flaps 2…postive rate…gear up. Just then, our passenger tells us smoke is coming through the gaspers. O2 masks ON…smoke goggles. Nothing else to do there…co-captain tells ATC, “WE NEED TO LAND….NOW!!!” We stay under the overcast, reconfigure for landing and I make my turn to final inside the approach lights. Short final the PNF quickly reminds our passenger where to exit. A firm, but agreeable landing all things considered, my butt off the seat standing on the brakes. Throttle one to stop, press it’s fire switch to further shut off fuel and hydraulic, gang bar three generator switches and two batteries and order the evacuation…

“Nice work guys, lets get some coffee” comes the voice behind me. Our instructor is pleased with our progress.

Yes, folks, all in a days work in the simulator!
 
I was certain you were going to end that one with " and then I woke up wiping the druel of my lip".

I like the part with the tractor, but since its a Falcon, you could of just hopped over him and then set it down, but the instructor might not have enjoyed that one.
 
I see that you have updated your profile. You forgot to put Avionics Tech though!! Our DM just gave a hand to an AOG 900EX-Easy here in town. Sounds like you will have fun!!!
 
G100driver said:
I see that you have updated your profile. You forgot to put Avionics Tech though!! Our DM just gave a hand to an AOG 900EX-Easy here in town. Sounds like you will have fun!!!

How true, my ATP now stands for Avionics Terminal Programer!:D
 
of course a Falcon can do it fire on the side, hell I got two left. As far as the 2000, not even the same class- super midsize vs. large- big difference. We'll do that single engine stuff all day long. I enjoy my redneck built a/c. lol
 
Gearmunky said:
of course a Falcon can do it fire on the side, hell I got two left. As far as the 2000, not even the same class- super midsize vs. large- big difference. We'll do that single engine stuff all day long. I enjoy my redneck built a/c. lol
Who knows, maybe one day you will actually get to fly your redneck built airplane ...
 
True, so very true. And one day (hopefully not, whatsoever) 2000flyer might have to do that in his airplane.
 
Gearmunky said:
True, so very true. And one day (hopefully not, whatsoever) 2000flyer might have to do that in his airplane.


I hope not too!!!! Sheez! :confused:
 
Well they say, as fate would have it the stuff that really goes wrong there's no checklist.
 
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Hey 2000flyer.....that scenario sounds similar to my pre-type evaluation I had at Simuflite a few weeks ago!

What fun......
 
TaxiDriver said:
Hey 2000flyer.....that scenario sounds similar to my pre-type evaluation I had at Simuflite a few weeks ago!

What fun......

I think it's a PPE/DPE conspiracy! ;):D:D
 
Guys,

Here's a note I think worth mentioning.

We train and train all the abnormals and emergencies, time and time again. In this problem the instructor is trying to cause the crew to perform a single engine go around, and the crew faithfully does what the instructor is putting together.

My problem is experience shows that when faced with an emergency we all default to our trained process or procedures. If I were in this guy's situation, I doubt that I would want to go around for any reason. I can't think of one reason to go around. Here I am with one engine and most probably my tail feathers on fire, I don't know what all is burning. The airplane, ATC and my passenger are all telling me that things are on fire ... now my instructor is trying to get me to go around. Sounds like "Negative Transfer/Negative Learning" to me.

I hope in real life I would have the wit about me to simply land the airplane past the sweeper or side step to an available taxiway. Anything but try to continue to fly an airplane that is doing it's god honest best to kill me and everyone in it.

What do y'all think?

TransMach
 
TransMach said:
Guys,

Here's a note I think worth mentioning.

We train and train all the abnormals and emergencies, time and time again. In this problem the instructor is trying to cause the crew to perform a single engine go around, and the crew faithfully does what the instructor is putting together.

My problem is experience shows that when faced with an emergency we all default to our trained process or procedures. If I were in this guy's situation, I doubt that I would want to go around for any reason. I can't think of one reason to go around. Here I am with one engine and most probably my tail feathers on fire, I don't know what all is burning. The airplane, ATC and my passenger are all telling me that things are on fire ... now my instructor is trying to get me to go around. Sounds like "Negative Transfer/Negative Learning" to me.

I hope in real life I would have the wit about me to simply land the airplane past the sweeper or side step to an available taxiway. Anything but try to continue to fly an airplane that is doing it's god honest best to kill me and everyone in it.

What do y'all think?

TransMach

Well, there goes that light hearted look at a recent training event. Trans...lighten up bud!
 
Guys,

I didn't mean to ruin a light spirited, fun thread, just point out that every six months of our careers we are sometimes "trained" to do the wrong thing. That's all.

I certainly didn't mean to cast doubt on any airman, just the training industry and it's "regular, everyday" processes.

How many times have you started a takeoff roll to find a fire warning at, say, 100KIAS, causing a rejected takeoff, resulting in the airplane coming to a stop with the fire warning still flashing when the instructor said "great, I'll start us over again"? Pleanty? Shouldn't the rest of the event have been played through, like attempting to put the fire out, then shutdown & evacuation on the appropriate side of the airplane, notification to ATC, etc ...

That's all I was trying to say. Sorry if I offended.

TransMach
 

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