Engine Fire Joining LOC on Approach

[Clutch]

just land the fahking plane you poontangs!

 

[Max Q]

Just say it was on fire, you don't have to use metaphorical analogies like "burning like a match stick". We get the idea.... Oh, and you can't say that you asked kindly if you use the term "GTFONG". Just say what you have to say and quit acting like some hero. Your assertiveness would have gone long way by just saying: "This thing is on fire, holding does not sound like a good idea, we should land quick, WHAT DO YOU THINK??" This way you make the Captain think along your lines, instead of having him/her guess and wonder why you are acting like you're in charge which in itself is very distractive. You actually contributed to making the situation worse by using bad CRM. The only way your position would've been justified is if the CAPT. was incapacitated. Know your position as an FO, and use CRM and not Hill Billy talk to resolve the situation.

So use less language next time? Or don't use any language?

 

[say again]

Just say it was on fire, you don't have to use metaphorical analogies like "burning like a match stick". We get the idea.... Oh, and you can't say that you asked kindly if you use the term "GTFONG". Just say what you have to say and quit acting like some hero. Your assertiveness would have gone long way by just saying: "This thing is on fire, holding does not sound like a good idea, we should land quick, WHAT DO YOU THINK??" This way you make the Captain think along your lines, instead of having him/her guess and wonder why you are acting like you're in charge which in itself is very distractive. You actually contributed to making the situation worse by using bad CRM. The only way your position would've been justified is if the CAPT. was incapacitated. Know your position as an FO, and use CRM and not Hill Billy talk to resolve the situation.

I was thinking the exact same thing!! To many "Top Gun" wannabes out there. :beer:

 

[Freebrd]

pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeee end this thread before 777 starts another boner one

 

[Max Q]

I was thinking the exact same thing!! To many "Top Gun" wannabes out there. :beer:

You wish you could fly with this.

 

[say again]

You wish you could fly with this.

Nah, I'll let you "commandeer" another CA's aircraft, Goose.

 

[777forever]

Me: There are guys out there that want to hold with the plane on fire. (Completely relevant to the OP)

Flightinfo: You moron! Engine's have fire bottles and procedures to use them!

IBNAV8R: Do you think I would've bothered to share if it weren't a case where the IAI/QRH didn't extinguish the fire? What is that too unbelievable for you that a CA would actually continue to a holding fix with a fire warning message and empty bottles?

Wait, so you guys blew both bottles and the engine was still on fire? If this was the case and the Captain wanted to do a go around/hold etc, then you were right to take over. Unless you guys were on a very unstable approach and a safe landing was doubtful

 

[Freebrd]

awww see you're actually encouraging this tool now

 

[SpaceShipEarth]

This is why I have the 27" crew bag.... so I can fit my 'chute!

"Make a move and the bunny gets it"

 

[CFI2766]

The vast majority of responses on this thread are obviously from idiots. If the airplane is on fire and the Captain inexplicably continues to fly it in any other direction than to the nearest suitable airport, I want my FO to take over.

As is common in this industry, there is a lilliputian phallic complex being demonstrated by individuals who have achieved nothing more than having the seniority to hold four stripes.

Get over yourselves.

 

[buxflyr]

Get it on the ground- should be the primary concern. Land flaps 20. CRJ-200 WILL NOT FLY single engine, flaps 45. Quick math- double landing distance and consult Vref flaps 20 on the card you have for your weight. Run the card if you can- stop there.

Since when were you single engine? This is an engine fire, and until the Eng. Fire switchlight is pushed, you are most likely producing thrust. By the time the QRH is run, you might be on a 1 mile final.

So the approach should have been briefed before the LOC is intercepted. Are you going to rebrief, or, from your systems knowledge and Captain's authority, modify the approach to the current needs. Flaps 20 or Flaps 45?

Just want to be clear that an engine fire does NOT mean single engine thrust, and non-book (that pilot stuff) decisions will need to be made within the very short amount of time you have left before landing.

 

[WayBack]

Wow, it's amazing how many of you guys took this so seriously. A few of you answered this as if it counts on your next recurrent ride. Have a little humor in life, it might loosen up the poles stuck up your *******

 

[777forever]

Since when were you single engine? This is an engine fire, and until the Eng. Fire switchlight is pushed, you are most likely producing thrust. By the time the QRH is run, you might be on a 1 mile final.

So the approach should have been briefed before the LOC is intercepted. Are you going to rebrief, or, from your systems knowledge and Captain's authority, modify the approach to the current needs. Flaps 20 or Flaps 45?

Just want to be clear that an engine fire does NOT mean single engine thrust, and non-book (that pilot stuff) decisions will need to be made within the very short amount of time you have left before landing.

The approach would be single engine as soon as the IAI items are run. Unless you decide to not shut the engine down and continue the approach from outside the marker with an engine burning

 

[777forever]

Wow, it's amazing how many of you guys took this so seriously. A few of you answered this as if it counts on your next recurrent ride. Have a little humor in life, it might loosen up the poles stuck up your *******

Actually this is one of the eight possible AQP scenarios you could get.

 

[waka]

Do the emergency card which typiclly involves shutting fuel etc, if the fire goes out you circle back and complete checklists and land. If the fire does not go out you land at the SE flap setting.

No, just land. Even if the fire indication goes away, don't go around and do a SE checklist.....that's just dumb. If you're joining the LOC course, almost all of the critical items are finished anyway. Be an aviator, put the gear down and land the damn thing.

 

[91100 100 set]

Now this is the FI I remember from the days of yore!

This exact scenario (simulated) happened to me on my 15% ride as a new hire way back when. One guy flies and does the radio, the other guy fights the fire. Land and deal with it from there. The examiner was satisfied with that.

 

[CX880]

Cover your eyes.

 

[HalinTexas]

Aviate, Navigate, Communicate.

1. Continue the approach. Remain stable. Fly the airplane.
2. Execute "Recall/Memory Items." I would not chose to continue flying the approach with an engine on fire and unsecured. Complete the checklist, if there's time. The only thing relevant in the time allowed is SE approach speeds. If you forget, add 15 or 20 knots. That usually works. Don't load up the NFP. Fly the airplane.
3. Declare an emergency, but don't have a conversation with ATC about it. Communicate with the FA's if there's time. Again, fly the airplane.
4. Continue aviating if you're stable. If the fire's not out and you're not stable and can't get stable at 1000', you're an idiot. If you're IMC at this point, you'd probably better let the other guy fly. Somebody fly the airplane!
5. Complete the most relevant check list once you're on the ground. Might be the "Evac Check" at this point. You can most likely skip the "Engine Fire/Severe Damage Check" if you need to evac. No reason for it as those items are on the Evac check. If you don't need to evac, then the choices are obvious.

Don't be in a hurry.

 

[Jon Rivoli]

If the engine is still producing thrust, shoot Max Q with your FFDO sidearm and ignore the the fire until you are on the ground. It can burn safely out there for a half an hour or more. Deal with it on the ground.

If it's not producing thrust, shoot Max Q with your FFDO sidearm, complete the Memory items and land flaps 20. The speed on the flipcard for flaps 20 is right there where it always is, no need to hunt through the QRH. Once you are on the ground deal with it.

In all cases shoot Max Q.


I can't believe that I agree with a post by WAKA.:erm:

 

[pilotyip]

Grow a pair - then decide if you want to cover your @$$ or save your @$$.

For me: outside the FAF, declare emergency, run QRH. Inside the FAF - declare emergency, land.

Either way, there'll be no shortage of DSs who'll swear you did it wrong.

at any time this happens; inside, over, or outside, Declare an Emergency and tell them what you are going to do. When you declare an emergency, you have relief from all the regs to address the emergency.

Now this is the FI I remember from the days of yore!

This exact scenario (simulated) happened to me on my 15% ride as a new hire way back when. One guy flies and does the radio, the other guy fights the fire. Land and deal with it from there. The examiner was satisfied with that.

My instructor gave me this plus lost comm during my DC-9 sim training. I just landed he was happy.