End of year paycheck

[cole]

What I think is fair is maybe the SWA pilots get something out of the deal, maybe a bump in seniority, because there is little else the combination of the two list can provide for the SWA pilots. I know the AAI pilots are gaining quite a bit, no matter if they are on the bottom of the new list or intergrated throughout the list. I think for the most part the SWA contract is better in most aspects. I know AAI just got a payraise, weird how it happened all the sudden after the deal was announced. Only AAI managament knows if that was gonna happen regardless of the merger, but someone looking from the outside, I think the announcement of the deal was the only reason they got a new contract. I know the only thing I can gain is seniority. I can gain the promise of growth but that doesn't count for much until it happens, just like some guys say that pay can change, and therefore doesn't get factored, well that doesn't matter until it happens. Now if we could only fly some of the magical places that GL does, my life would be perfect.

 

[General Lee]

What I think is fair is maybe the SWA pilots get something out of the deal, maybe a bump in seniority, because there is little else the combination of the two list can provide for the SWA pilots. I know the AAI pilots are gaining quite a bit, no matter if they are on the bottom of the new list or intergrated throughout the list. I think for the most part the SWA contract is better in most aspects. I know AAI just got a payraise, weird how it happened all the sudden after the deal was announced. Only AAI managament knows if that was gonna happen regardless of the merger, but someone looking from the outside, I think the announcement of the deal was the only reason they got a new contract. I know the only thing I can gain is seniority. I can gain the promise of growth but that doesn't count for much until it happens, just like some guys say that pay can change, and therefore doesn't get factored, well that doesn't matter until it happens. Now if we could only fly some of the magical places that GL does, my life would be perfect.

Cole,

The Delta guys didn't get much extra pay when the joint contract was agreed upon with the merger. I think we got a 5% payraise,(with an additional 4% per year for 3 more years) and some stock, which wasn't too bad. (oil was trading at $130 a barrel at the time of signing) The NWA pilots got a 30% raise per hour, kept their frozen pensions, and better work rules to boot. Yes, there were other things that the NWA guys still complain about that they lost, but overall they did fairly well, and we didn't get much more than a slight raise, and a stronger company. That is the way it goes. You hope to get something, and a stronger company at the same time. And you will, but a neutral will figure out what is fair with the SLI, and that will be that. Not much you can do.

And, it would be nice if you had the option to see the world on SWA's dime. Since the merger, I have seen a lot more of Asia, and I really like it. I used to do a lot of Rio and Europe, but Asia seems to be my favorite area now. Touring with US Park Rangers in Saipan, climbing the Great Wall on Beijing layovers, and eating Sushi in Narita, are all just a lot more interesting than my old domestic stuff. But, if I want to try that stuff again someday, I will. (maybe as Captain too) Your merger will allow some new stuff for you I suppose. Instead of LBB, you can look forward to Tunica, Charlie West (WV), Bloomington, and Moline. Throw in an allnighter or two, and it will seem like a totally different airline. See, mergers can be fun! Take care and chillax. It's out of your control anyway.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Whataburger]

Cole,
He's like a stray cat. If you give him milk, he'll keep comming back.

 

[General Lee]

Cole,
He's like a stray cat. If you give him milk, he'll keep comming back.

Some people can't handle the truth, obviously.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[HighSpeed]

4th year SWA F/O (9mos 4th yr pay/3 @ 5th yr pay)

734 Hrs Block
$132.3K

Retro of $6.9K included

Per Diem of $5.5K not included

Almost all straight time - My days off are too important...

 

[Whataburger]

Some people can't handle the truth, obviously.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Allright *************************cat, here's some milk:

The truth? How many days off does a average delta pilot have off when awarded a Reserve Line?

Why have you been avoiding the truth for 6 months?

 

[nonstop]

The NWA pilots got a 30% raise per hour, kept their frozen pensions, and better work rules to boot.

The official number was an average 9% raise but a 7% decrease in guarantee hours for a net gain of 2%. As far as work rules some were better some were not, but many had lower W-2s in 2009 under the DAL contract than they did in 2008 under the NWA contract. These are facts, now back to the thread.

 

[General Lee]

Allright *************************cat, here's some milk:

The truth? How many days off does a average delta pilot have off when awarded a Reserve Line?

Why have you been avoiding the truth for 6 months?

11 or 12 depending on the month? I don't really know, I haven't been on reserve in YEARS. If you get reserve at Delta, you can always bid to another plane to improve your schedule or QOL, and being more senior allows you to bid better trips or swap trips to make more cash. What else would you like to know? The truth is the AT guys will do great at SWA.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

The official number was an average 9% raise but a 7% decrease in guarantee hours for a net gain of 2%. As far as work rules some were better some were not, but many had lower W-2s in 2009 under the DAL contract than they did in 2008 under the NWA contract. These are facts, now back to the thread.

I said 30% PER HOUR raise, which is correct. If you try to add other things that NWA guys had, like more pay if you fly over 80 hours, etc, then you can lower that amount, but then if you add greenslips, then it goes back up. It was called a joint contract, that was approved overwhelmingly.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[DTW320]

I said 30% PER HOUR raise, which is correct. If you try to add other things that NWA guys had, like more pay if you fly over 80 hours, etc, then you can lower that amount, but then if you add greenslips, then it goes back up. It was called a joint contract, that was approved overwhelmingly.

Bye Bye--General Lee

That is definitely NOT correct. Not even close. On 10/30/2008 a NWA A320 fo went from $94.52/hr to $101.11/hr. Just under a 7% raise "PER HOUR".

747-400 CA went from $179.34/hr to $191.13/hr.... 6.5% raise "PER HOUR"

A330 got a 12% raise "PER HOUR".
757 got 11% raise "PER HOUR".

Most, not all, work rules improved, no argument. Green slips are cool if you can get'em. The stock was nice. Happy to be here.....just have to correct the 30% raise myth whenever I see or hear it. Guys on reserve got around a 2% raise on W2 with the merger (70hr guarantee vs 75 nwa)

I've got the numbers for every position for every year if you want. All DAL pilots have access to the same data so I'm really not sure why you keep spreading BLATANTLY and SIGNIFICANTLY wrong info????

 

[jball2]

DTW- thanks for sharing and for your honesty. I ride on you guys all the time on the 319 to MDW and you all are a class act, well except for one but we have some of those too. Here is to the future bring us all some much needed prosperity!

 

[General Lee]

That is definitely NOT correct. Not even close. On 10/30/2008 a NWA A320 fo went from $94.52/hr to $101.11/hr. Just under a 7% raise "PER HOUR".

747-400 CA went from $179.34/hr to $191.13/hr.... 6.5% raise "PER HOUR"

A330 got a 12% raise "PER HOUR".
757 got 11% raise "PER HOUR".

Most, not all, work rules improved, no argument. Green slips are cool if you can get'em. The stock was nice. Happy to be here.....just have to correct the 30% raise myth whenever I see or hear it. Guys on reserve got around a 2% raise on W2 with the merger (70hr guarantee vs 75 nwa)

I've got the numbers for every position for every year if you want. All DAL pilots have access to the same data so I'm really not sure why you keep spreading BLATANTLY and SIGNIFICANTLY wrong info????

Sorry, all of the NWA guys that went from DC9FO in DTW to NYC 7ER FO got a 30% payraise. How many guys did that? A LOT. Same goes with Captains. And don't forget the NWA guys returning from furlough that got well more than 30% raises thanks to the DL longevity rule, giving them credit for the years they spent on the street. That wouldn't have happened at the old NWA. Regardless, we are all now one big happy family! Have a great one!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[DTW320]

Sorry, all of the NWA guys that went from DC9FO in DTW to NYC 7ER FO got a 30% payraise. How many guys did that? A LOT. Same goes with Captains. And don't forget the NWA guys returning from furlough that got well more than 30% raises thanks to the DL longevity rule, giving them credit for the years they spent on the street. That wouldn't have happened at the old NWA. Regardless, we are all now one big happy family! Have a great one!


Bye Bye--General Lee

No No No NO No General....You said: hourly rates went up 30%. Now you're trying to say that what you really meant was that people upgraded! And the most junior guys getting longevity for furlough time = all NW pilots getting a 30% raise? Hilarious. Which is it General??? Can't have it both ways sir. Haven't been on here in a long while.....glad to see you haven't changed a bit!

BTW, you're wrong about the upgrades too. Just looked at the Jan2010 AND May2010 AE's.....not a single DC9F/O went to NYC7ERF/O....several junior DC9CAPTS did though!! Also saw LOTS of 7ERF/O's went to DTW 777 F/O....wonder which side they were from and how much of a raise they got??

 

[say again]

Nice GL, but a miserable FAIL!!

 

[WMUSIGPI]

CRJ-900 5th year reserve captain. $69,700 gross (Sadly that's with perdiem since they don't break it down out of our checks) Down from $75,000 last year. and $76,000 the year before. Thanks PBS... To anyone saying PBS is better, F! U!

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Oh and to stomp a little harder, that's with 11 less days off and 109 more block hours this year. F!U! PBS.

 

[Bjammin]

Year 5 777 FO $148,000 Gross

6 weeks vacation
Not including $5,000 profit share
Not including $17,000 retirement contribution
Not including about $3000 in per diem
Average about 20 days off a month

About 700 hours flown, about 1/3 was "dozing for dollars" in the bunk.

Still in the reserves flying about 4 days a month. $24,000 gross

 

[say again]

Year 5 777 FO $148,000 Gross

6 weeks vacation
Not including $5,000 profit share
Not including $17,000 retirement contribution
Not including about $3000 in per diem
Average about 20 days off a month

About 700 hours flown, about 1/3 was "dozing for dollars" in the bunk.

Still in the reserves flying about 4 days a month. $24,000 gross

Sounds like my type of flying job!!!!! They are out there

 

[General Lee]

Sounds like my type of flying job!!!!! They are out there

In Hong Kong. If you live there, that money won't buy you much. Some of Cathay's pilots are US based (like Bjammin), but I don't know if they are more hiring positions available for US bases. Read the "Fragrant Harbour" section of PPRUNE to find out more about Cathay Pacific.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Bjammin]

Sounds like my type of flying job!!!!! They are out there

It's not all roses. A little anti-Americanism, pedantic checking and training, and Hong Kong is expensive, but if you live there they give you a good housing allowance, about $7500 a month, and a 13th month paycheck(profit dependant). Wife does get to jumpseat in the cockpit however, which is fun and guarantees her a seat on my flights.

The wifey and I are going to move from San Diego to Hong Kong next year. The money will be better, great vacations are very close, and I'm tired of the politics of SOCAL. Communism has nothing on the left in California! ;-)

They are no longer hiring to US bases, that may change, we'll see. Watch this space for changes.


Now back to your regularly scheduled program.