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[PCL_128]

Let me get this straight. You are disputing the fact that Air Tran has not undercut Delta in every way possible? What planet have you been living on?

AirTran management may decide to undercut Delta's fares, but that has nothing to do with me or my pilot group or my union. You stated that the NPA is undercutting DALPA, and that is complete and utter bullsh--. We just turned down a contract that would have paid our 717 and 737 Captains more than Delta pays their 767-400 Captains! We just turned down a contract because we refuse to give up scope like DALPA did over and over again. We aren't undercutting you. Period.

 

[PCL_128]

ALPA is an all things to all people on the front. But in reality it is a very secretive, closed, back room organization with a UAL and DAL agenda.

ALPA is a democracy. You simply don't have the skills and intelligence to operate in a democracy, so you b--ch and whine like a little kid. Pathetic.

 

[seefive]

The FedEx MEC follows their own agenda regardless of what its members want. It's simply factual. Hardly a democracy.

We need ALPA, but we need leaders who want to support the majority's wishes and truly "do the right thing". As for ALPA national, each union should represent its people and vote that way with national. Let the chips fall where they may.

 

[JoeMerchant]

.....what happens if the majority position harms those who are in the minority? Do you really expect the minority to just say "OK my union is doing something that harms me so I will continue to support it"?

What is "the right thing"?

Is the majority always right?

 

[PCL_128]

The FedEx MEC follows their own agenda regardless of what its members want. It's simply factual. Hardly a democracy.

No, it's still a democracy. You have the ability to depose those leaders if they aren't doing as you want them to do. All it takes is a majority vote. Democracy at its finest.

 

[PCL_128]

.....what happens if the majority position harms those who are in the minority? Do you really expect the minority to just say "OK my union is doing something that harms me so I will continue to support it"?

What is "the right thing"?

Is the majority always right?

Of course not. That's why a Constitution is in place to protect the rights of the minority. And that's why ALPA's governing bodies are setup in a way to give a voice to the minority groups.

 

[SaturnPilot]

And SWAPA represents a predatory company who is willing to undercut anyone anytime.

SWAPA represents the pilots at Southwest. SWA management is the one who undercuts other carriers.

ALPA feels it knows better than the majority and has chosen to ignore the majority views in numerous issues and operates in SECRET to protect its over reached control.

What exactly is ALPA doing in "secret"?

And what union represents your company? Air Tran is not an ALPA company.

Your union is all about undercutting DALPA.

once again...his union represents Airtran pilots...management at Airtran is the one who tries to undercut Delta...much like how Delta management may try to undercut American, etc.

My particular MEC has just public ally stated that due to the sensitivity of the current situations they will not be able to provide any details of the issues that will effect my career.

depending on what specifically they are referring to, that could be a good thing. I don't want my MEC blasting out emails to my entire pilot group saying, "our strategy against management in this situation is going to be ____, unless management does ____, in which case we will do ____...our bottom line is ____ , etc". Some things are better left confidential.

 

[weasel_lips]

http://www.unionfacts.com/unions/unionOfficers.cfm?id=179&year=2006

This is what ALPA is all about.

Time for them to go.

 

[Ben Franklin]

http://www.unionfacts.com/unions/unionOfficers.cfm?id=179&year=2006

This is what ALPA is all about.

Time for them to go.

learning about ALPA from this (or any other) union-busting website is like learning US history from an Islamist/Iranian grade school

Sincerely,

B. Franklin

 

[PCL_128]

http://www.unionfacts.com/unions/unionOfficers.cfm?id=179&year=2006

This is what ALPA is all about.

Time for them to go.

And the ignorance keeps on coming!

 

[737 Pylt]

And the ignorance keeps on coming!

PCL:
Check this out.....
Asa Mec Str$ 0$ 13,718$ 13,718

So when JB was STR at ASA, he got 13,718 in incentives all for just showing up and stealing notes from meetings!?
Wow, maybe he's right, ALPA is broken, paying a tool like that for nothing!

737

 

[800Dog]

AirTran management may decide to undercut Delta's fares, but that has nothing to do with me or my pilot group or my union. You stated that the NPA is undercutting DALPA, and that is complete and utter bullsh--. We just turned down a contract that would have paid our 717 and 737 Captains more than Delta pays their 767-400 Captains! We just turned down a contract because we refuse to give up scope like DALPA did over and over again. We aren't undercutting you. Period.

Airtran and other airlines undercut the major/legacy carriers for years which is partly to blame for the fact that legacy pay is currently so low. There is no getting around that. Having said that, I hope the Airtran pilots get a great contract with pay significantly higher than Deltas. Something for Delta pilots to shoot for.

 

[PCL_128]

PCL:
Check this out.....
Asa Mec Str$ 0$ 13,718$ 13,718

So when JB was STR at ASA, he got 13,718 in incentives all for just showing up and stealing notes from meetings!?
Wow, maybe he's right, ALPA is broken, paying a tool like that for nothing!

737

You're looking at the wrong position. JB was Council 112 ST, not MEC ST. His compensation was $0 according to the figures I'm looking at.

 

[PCL_128]

Airtran and other airlines undercut the major/legacy carriers for years which is partly to blame for the fact that legacy pay is currently so low. There is no getting around that.

You're absolutely right. But keep in mind that our current agreement was signed in 2001 when this was a tiny airline with a much smaller pilot group. The overwhelming majority of the pilots here now weren't even at AAI during the signing of that contract, so we had nothing to do with that undercutting.

 

[SaturnPilot]

http://www.unionfacts.com/unions/unionOfficers.cfm?id=179&year=2006

This is what ALPA is all about.

Time for them to go.

I find it hard to believe that someone with your experience would believe the crap that is on this website