Emirates US Road Shows?

[fareview]

I went to the Miami road show yesterday, had been to one in Chicago 2 years ago (or so). I received an email from Emirates a short while back stating they had dropped their 55 ton requirement (see below), so I went hopeful to secure an interview as they offered in previous Info Sessions. The dog and pony show they put up is really pathetic, all they talk about is how good they are, how they sponsor so many teams/events worldwide, how beautiful their new headquarters is, how beautiful their housing/villas are, etc. They say nothing in regards to being overworked, making your life impossible to take vacation, long upgrade times, etc, in essence, reality. I have 2 friends at Emirates, and it is definitely NOT like they picture it, but it still is pretty decent.

Well it turns out they dropped their 55T requirement to 30 tons. That directly contradicts what the email says. Somehow I have 8000 hours in state of the art business jets, international experience, 5 type ratings, IP experience, yet I am not worthy to fly a 777??

Anyways, I mention this in case some are going to these sessions hoping to get an interview based on the dropped 55T requirement. Don't waste your time. I stood up in the middle of the info session, questioned the recruiters why 30T when I have email in my iPhone on hand saying weight requirement dropped altogether, she says rudely she doesn't know where that email came from. I told them they are liars and walk out of the room. Made me waste a morning for nothing.

Shouting Liars and storming out.

Now that was professional...guess we missed out and on having a real pro join our ranks....

f.

 

[overseas boy]

The post clearly states he did not shout.
Maybe fareview you've been in EK to long and are just to assimilated to the EK lying way of life. Frankly I applaud the gentleman in question for having the moral fotitude and high values to call a liar a liar, when it is so deservedly warranted.

 

[atpcliff]

The problem is twofold:
EK decided that they would not publish all of their minimums on their website, or distribute that information when they contacted people (I received the same email),
and, Americans are used to airline's hiring pages showing ALL of their minimums.

So, EK chose to publish/distribute SOME of the minimums, and withhold other minimums (like their variable age limits). I'm guessing that is standard procedure in the ME and/or Asia/overseas.

When they do this with Americans, who are used to having all the information in front of them when they are trying to decide where to apply/interview/accept a position, EK runs this risk of upsetting people.

I don't think that EK was intentionally trying to mislead or upset anyone, they just decided, for whatever reason, to set up their minimums and disclose them in the way that they did.

I think that it would help EK recruitment in the US, if they published all their minimum requirements for all to see. BUT, not being very familiar with recruiting outside the US, doing so may have some negative consequences with regards to recruiting pilots outside the US???

Comments/info/suggestions are appreciated!
Thank you ahead of time for your information!

 

[fareview]

The post clearly states he did not shout.
Maybe fareview you've been in EK to long and are just to assimilated to the EK lying way of life. Frankly I applaud the gentleman in question for having the moral fotitude and high values to call a liar a liar, when it is so deservedly warranted.

It was an irrational response given the forum...regardless of how many lies he perceived were delivered.

Defending the high values of the profession regardless of the adversity - is not flying a banner for my airline.

If he was flying with a local Middle Eastern Capt who was, with subtlety, having a go at his nationality while clearly telling lies - could this 'moral fortitude and high values' personality ... be provoked into a similar response?

Not sure where in my post I defended EK...but the pilot group is (95%) top notch and professional.

Lets keep it that way,

Respectfully,

fareview (shout point noted - thanks for correction)

 

[overseas boy]

Is it better to remain seated and stay quiet?
High values are not solely the domain of our profession or any profession for that matter. High values are a way to live life, to defend them in the face of adversity does not bring a person's professionalism into question, they are two distinctly different entities.
He wasn't dealing with the local captain here, he was at a recruitment roadshow, so that point is moot.
This man was lied to and stood up for what he knew was right, hardly an irrational response.
No where in my post did I say you defended EK, I merely said that you may have been at EK to long, have become accustomed to the lies, and now find them tolerable.
Your opinion differs and it is what it is.

You are correct though, this pilot group is top notch.
Regards
O.B

 

[atpcliff]

He was not lied to. He was told the 55 tonne minimum was dropped, which was correct. EK just left out other stuff, like the 30 tonne minimums, that they didn't feel was important to tell the potential candidates.

I would like to know why they feel that this was a good idea, and how it would help them recruit more pilots?

 

[Flyer1015]

Well, it has to be a lie. As said before, plenty of CRJ-200 pilots from Pinnacle have gotten hired at Emirates and are currently in Dubai. The CRJ-200 is under 30 tons. But they still got hired. So it leads me to believe that with EK, it's more so luck when it comes time to interview. Depending on who looks over your qualifications, you may or may not get called. Or the guy who sifts through the online applications, filtering out anything under 30tons. You mean to tell me that a CRJ-200 pilot can get hired by applying online, and another CRJ-200 pilot can get denied since they went to a road show?

 

[atpcliff]

I think that at the time the PCL guys were hired, they met the mins. I was told 10 tonnes was the mins in April. I think that now the mins are back up to 30 tonnes. I'm almost 100% sure the mins will be coming back down, as their hiring situation gets more and more difficult for them...USAir just started recalling, for example.

 

[tyuwerty]

What is so hard to comprehend?

It is their ball game. They can change the mins at anytime for any reason they desire. If you don't like it, then the ME is not the place for you.

Was a lie told during this guys roadshow? No, they simply changed the mins and the recruiter on hand only had the information provided to them.

Was calling them liars a rational reaction? No and I don't think it was polite or civil.

Maybe the guy calling the names wasted a day of his time. He wouldn't have been there if he hadn't had interest in working for them. Now that bridge is burned and next month when the mins are 10T again he is S.O.L.

I don't work for Emirates, but I am in the ME. Once you get here you quickly realise you aren't in Kansas anymore. The jobs here are great, but the rule book is different.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

All wonderful. BUT- the CRJ-700 is over 30T and their application doesn't differentiate between CRJ models. So basically, you can have 5,000 hours PIC on a CRJ-900 and you will still get steamrolled by a 737 FO with 2500 hours SIC only. FUBAR.

 

[CommanderHoek]

Now ATPCliff is an expert on Emirates.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

CH: Why don't you help out everyone thinking about Emirates and let us know what YOU know about Emirates. I'm sure lots of guys would appreciate it!

cliff
LFW
PS-This is nothing new. I have been posting what I know, or have heard, about EK, for more than two years...that is how long my app has been in there.

 

[bahumba]

Now ATPCliff is an expert on Emirates.

Hey Hoek noone cares what you have to say. Take a vacation!

 

[skypine69]

I care.

 

[CommanderHoek]

bahumba, I am calling on his credibility. You'll just have to trust me. You may not like it but if the information is incorrect or misleading should people not know? I think people like yourself should care. He is all over the boards and posts so much nonsense that is makes me annoyed cause I know for a fact his info is mostly incorrect. He talks like an expert. He has been called on this before numerous times.

 

[CommanderHoek]

Two years ATPCliff at EK and all those road shows and you are not getting called at all? That should tell you something ATPCliff. I keep trying to tell you that. I mean you are current and qualified, have some PIC time and military 4 engine jet time? ATPCliff you are not getting called for a reason you need to figure out what that is.

 

[Capt. Over]

I'm sorry sir...

...we're all out of the duck. May I suggest the crow, I hear it's wonderful AND served with a final course of humble pie.

 

[say again]

Two years ATPCliff at EK and all those road shows and you are not getting called at all? That should tell you something ATPCliff. I keep trying to tell you that. I mean you are current and qualified, have some PIC time and military 4 engine jet time? ATPCliff you are not getting called for a reason you need to figure out what that is.

You shouldn't worry about another that you really have no respect for. If you told him already, then there is no point in beating a dead horse. :beer:

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

CommanderHoek:

Please start another thread:
Call it "Bash ATPCliff" or "Help ATPCliff get a job", or whatever else you want to call it.

This thread is to help guys find out info about Emirates and how to get hired there. If you have some infor about Emirates, please share. Since my last post, I have not heard any more major new info on Emirates. Maybe you have something to help those wanting to go to Emirates???

cliff
GRB

 

[typhoonpilot]

Open mind for a different view....

Couldn't be much more from the heart

Trust I seek and I find in you

Every day borrows something new

Never care for what they know, but I know

So close no matter how far

Couldn't be much more from the heart.


:erm:



Typhoonpilot

 

[CommanderHoek]

I am helping them by challenging you and your info/credibility. You keep posting whatever you read and nothing about what you know. You cannot possibly know things being a DC-9 FO in Lome Togo. If you were an EK employee or Etihad or Qatar or had even interviewed at these places then you would be of great help! I will be the ugly little annoying dog nipping at your heals on your bicycle until you stop posting things of which you read elsewhere but post as first hand knowledge. You are not a help but a hinderance. How, I work for one of the so called top airlines. I do NOT post about other airlines because I do not actually know, except a little(very little) about Qatar. I have a friend who is an Airbus F/O. If people cannot find the info posted BY THE AIRLINES or employees or interviewees, then they have not done their research. Taking info from you would lead candidates in the wrong direction I believe. I know you don't like it and some others may not as well but I cannot sit back and not challenge something I see as wrong. I and many others have walked into road shows from EK and have received numeorus e-mails asking us to consider or come for an interview. ATPCliff there is no other reason that you are not getting called than you yourself. I maybe be bashing you, but I am trying to bash you into some sense. YOU ARE NOT LISTENING!

 

[CommanderHoek]

Ok ATPCliff I am going to try and help you and have PM'd you some info. Concentrate daniel son! I am going to stop bashing you if you listen to me. I will help you but you have to focus on you and not on what others are doing or going/want to do! Be selfish and once you get a good job you can help others.

 

[CommanderHoek]

Oh yeah the info is for YOU only until you get hired then you can share it!

 

[CommanderHoek]

2 pm's now. Tomorrow I will offer you some advice here in the public forum for all to see/help. The info I PM you is FOR YOUR EYES ONLY OK?

 

[atpcliff]

Thanx for the help...now back to the latest from EK...

 

[CommanderHoek]

Ok ATPCliff here is what I think maybe holding you back. I belive being in Africa and flying an old DC-9 is actually hurting you. Why, because Africa is seen as a very unsafe operating environment. Standards and "training" do not really exsist (many crashes even amongst the big ailrines). At your age they may think you have or could become a "cowboy" meaning that you may have developed bad habits and could be untrainable. This is NOT a bashig. When you become a Captain say on the 9 or 80, it actually maybe worse believe it or not as now your are the boss making the bad decisions. The airlines you talk about EK, ET, QR know what goes on down in Africa. Flying broke airplanes into dangerous conditions and taking unnecessary chances. You are also not flying 121 and fly for a fly by night outfit which means you aren't being taken seriously. Think about it. Your competition is fierce also. You do have strong assests though and need to play on those. Air Force Desert Storm vet with 4 engine heavy time. You need to highlight those attributes.

So GET THE HELL OUT OF AFRICA! Go and fly for a 121 carrier even it is American Eagle. Get real quality training and especially on EFIS aircraft. I really think you should go back to USA JET. You were a Captain there no? I think you will upgrade there faster than Africa. I researched the outfit you fly for in Africa and I have to say whooaaaaaa nelly.

So those are my two cents. Trust me you will thank me later. Lome, Togo? Man alive!

 

[CommanderHoek]

Run Forest, Run!

 

[CommanderHoek]

And I think African Express would even be better but not much. Or East African Safari Express too.

 

[CommanderHoek]

Another PM ATPCliff. Please DO NOT give out those e-mails for Allegiant!

Have you been able to attend a road show for EK?

 

[fareview]

Ok ATPCliff here is what I think maybe holding you back. I belive being in Africa and flying an old DC-9 is actually hurting you. Why, because Africa is seen as a very unsafe operating environment. Standards and "training" do not really exsist (many crashes even amongst the big ailrines). At your age they may think you have or could become a "cowboy" meaning that you may have developed bad habits and could be untrainable. This is NOT a bashig. When you become a Captain say on the 9 or 80, it actually maybe worse believe it or not as now your are the boss making the bad decisions. The airlines you talk about EK, ET, QR know what goes on down in Africa. Flying broke airplanes into dangerous conditions and taking unnecessary chances. You are also not flying 121 and fly for a fly by night outfit which means you aren't being taken seriously. Think about it. Your competition is fierce also. You do have strong assests though and need to play on those. Air Force Desert Storm vet with 4 engine heavy time. You need to highlight those attributes.

So GET THE HELL OUT OF AFRICA! Go and fly for a 121 carrier even it is American Eagle. Get real quality training and especially on EFIS aircraft. I really think you should go back to USA JET. You were a Captain there no? I think you will upgrade there faster than Africa. I researched the outfit you fly for in Africa and I have to say whooaaaaaa nelly.

So those are my two cents. Trust me you will thank me later. Lome, Togo? Man alive!

Commander H.,

Not sure whats going on between you two. Its all a bit sad/weird (and appears chippy from your posts) for the guys looking for EK info.

That said you have admonished Cliff for posting authoritatively on EK eventhough he does not work with us.

Ironic then that you are providing advice on what experience EK considers valuable

With all due respect to Am. Eagle, dont for a minute think that EK look upon Africa jet experience poorly. We serve 19 (I think) destinations in Africa, and I can tell you its a lot more of a challenging environment than 121 ops in the US (where I once operated) We have many guys who have come from Africa flying and their experience is valuable.

But more importantly, the one asset that is dearly sought by EK HR is the adaptability of the candidate to the challenges of living in a unique cultural environment. Anyone who can hack it in Tome has a better chance of embracing Dubai than a guy who has spent his whole life living in Texas.

Pot calling the kettle?...Like you said leave the EK advice to the EK pilots.

Cliff, dont give up, keep pushing and good luck. Hopefully I'll buy you a beer in Madhouse (NBO) one of these days....as anyone who will dig deep inside and fly in Togo to pay the mortgage garners much respect from those of us fortunate enought to work in a better spot.

Respectfully,

fv

P.S. this is an anonymous forum. By mentioning his actual name you compromise everything that encourages the free flow of information here. The ultimate character flaw is outing someone on this forum regardless of your beef. Not good at all.